• whoisearth
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    1 year ago

    At a certain point it is no longer about “who hit first” but about “who hit last”.

    The biggest issue is the attacks are not proportional. Just like 9/11 what happened in Israel to flare this up again is but a drop in a bucket of years of lived experience of those in Gaza. It doesn’t justify any of it but it does provide important context.

    And fuck Hamas.

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      1 year ago

      There can be no context for violence that hamas has shown recently, solely because it was aimed for citizens who did nothing to them. Anyone who doesn’t understand this also has to answer how exactly this helped anyone anywhere, other than accepting that hamas only wanted to kill more Israeli with no meaningful purpose in mind.

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        Right, that’s one way to deal with Terror, ignoring the reasons the terrorists became that way and killing everyone close to them to avoid new terrorists.

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          What reasons? You can’t reason with people who want to kill and create terrorists out of their own citizens. They have the internet so they could at least educate themselves on how history and terrorism work, how they could live fine as is, without resorting to violence. How they will not live fine if they practice terrorism.

          Propose a better way to deal with terrorism, or just accept the reality.

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            how they could live fine as is, without resorting to violence. How they will not live fine if they practice terrorism.

            Well that’s quite literally not true. People in Gaza can not “live fine as is” because they are cut off from the whole world, relying on an enemy nation to allow humanitarian aid to be delivered. People in the Westbank aren’t allowed to use their own land because Israel is keeping it occupied and keeps building settlements.

            You can’t reason with people who want to kill and create terrorists out of their own citizens

            This is true, but kinda unrelated to what I said. I said there are reasons people become terrorists. Whether or not you can still reason with them after that point of radicalization is not what I was arguing.

            Propose a better way to deal with terrorism, or just accept the reality.

            “Either solve an unsolvable problem, or accept that bombing civilians is an acceptable solution” isn’t really an argument, it can be turned around to justify the terror the Hamas is spreading: “Propose a better way to deal with the occupation of our land and the killing of our people, or just accept the reality”. It’s just an absurd.

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              People in Gaza can not “live fine as is” because they are cut off from the whole world, relying on an enemy nation to allow humanitarian aid to be delivered.

              Well guess what doing terrorism will bring them? Certainly not getting new connections in the world. If they wanted to do anything positive, they wouldn’t build rockets in the first place.

              I said there are reasons people become terrorists. Whether or not you can still reason with them after that point of radicalization is not what I was arguing.

              The reason being: hamas propaganda. You can’t justify those reasons. They need to be rectified properly. Israel existence is not one of those reasons.

              “Propose a better way to deal with the occupation of our land and the killing of our people, or just accept the reality”.

              Accept all the help from the world you can get, and do the rest yourself. Build infrastructure, hospitals, universities etc., not rockets. Just stop being terrorists and making more terrorists.