For the record, and as I have noted before, Dan O’Dowd has spent millions of dollars to fashion himself as the “public safety advocate” and to challenge Tesla’s FSD Beta program as such.
However, Dan O’Dowd has done anything but.
Instead of educating the public in terms of the actual systems safety foundational issues and various wrongdoings with Tesla’s FSD Beta program - Dan has elected to engage in these pointless spectacles that have zero public educational value and are entirely unsafe in of themselves.
Nothing can be obtained from personal experiences with a safety-critical system of type, except for apparent systems safety issues (and that still leaves “unseen” systems safety issues on the table).
And a conversation with Ross Gerber, who is a key lieutenant of the Tesla Online Community and has never shown any interest in learning about proper systems safety, is a pointless exercise at this point.
Dan’s actions harm all of us that are competent and responsible systems safety experts.
Tesla’s Autopilot and FSD Beta programs are unsafe and they require serious discussion and analysis.
I think that… ever since Ed Niedermeyer left as their spokesperson and after witnessing Cruise’s safety-deficient behavior go unchecked and unchallenged… the organization has really lost legitimacy in terms of actually advocating for public safety.
Ah. I haven’t followed PAVE too closely once Ed left, but had a positive impression of it from when I did pay attention. That’s too bad that they’re proving to be just another ineffective body.
For the record, and as I have noted before, Dan O’Dowd has spent millions of dollars to fashion himself as the “public safety advocate” and to challenge Tesla’s FSD Beta program as such.
However, Dan O’Dowd has done anything but.
Instead of educating the public in terms of the actual systems safety foundational issues and various wrongdoings with Tesla’s FSD Beta program - Dan has elected to engage in these pointless spectacles that have zero public educational value and are entirely unsafe in of themselves.
Nothing can be obtained from personal experiences with a safety-critical system of type, except for apparent systems safety issues (and that still leaves “unseen” systems safety issues on the table).
And a conversation with Ross Gerber, who is a key lieutenant of the Tesla Online Community and has never shown any interest in learning about proper systems safety, is a pointless exercise at this point.
Dan’s actions harm all of us that are competent and responsible systems safety experts.
Tesla’s Autopilot and FSD Beta programs are unsafe and they require serious discussion and analysis.
Adam, are you familiar with PAVE? If not, their work might be of interest to you. https://pavecampaign.org/about/
I am familiar with PAVE.
I think that… ever since Ed Niedermeyer left as their spokesperson and after witnessing Cruise’s safety-deficient behavior go unchecked and unchallenged… the organization has really lost legitimacy in terms of actually advocating for public safety.
Ah. I haven’t followed PAVE too closely once Ed left, but had a positive impression of it from when I did pay attention. That’s too bad that they’re proving to be just another ineffective body.