We're allowing non-IRL loli/shota - Lemmy NSFW
lemmynsfw.com
When I opened this site 5 days ago, I could not have guessed that I would post such a post. But here we are. As you know, we did a poll on this topic here [https://lemmynsfw.com/post/26029]. Around 40% of people said to block, the rest said to not to. In such cases, we wanted to make the poll, even though it doesn’t matter. Right now, I’m still currently agreeing with @bobbiguy2122 [https://lemmynsfw.com/u/bobbiguy2122] here [https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/82152]. We are going to let community moderators handle the situation in within limits. So it’s going to be users choice to subscribe to that community or creating new one with his own rules. #### Why not completely block it If we are going to split, there is so many fractions as well. As someone who only likes women and plain porn, I don’t want to ban tentacle, futanari or gay stuff. Because even though they are kinky, they are also a pleasure. Being attracted to petite teens is just like these pleasures, and the vast majority actually like it. I think we should not ban this pleasure just because it is in a dangerous area. #### As a result First of all we will explicitly ban IRL loli images. Although we will allow non-IRL content under moderator control, tho we will control childish content independently of moderators too. We will make this distinction according to images that look and act like children. #### Defederation I see a lot of people are worried about this situation. But I don’t care. Because as you can see, beehaw, one of the largest instances, blocked the other 2 largest instances. This situation is inevitable in NSFW only instances like us. As a result, you must have one main account, where you can access all instances, and one NSFW account, where you can only access NSFW content. For example, I don’t plan to block any instances on this instance, except in extreme cases.

SEE SECOND EDIT DOWN BELOW

Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the “Loli” announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I’m taking it as a backtrack, but it’s still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven’t seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of “whoops bad English” like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

  • Otome-chan@kbin.social
    11·
    1 year ago

    I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see. the second something is defederated/blocked, it becomes a slippery slope of crying to block this or that, and taking away power from the users.

    • BaconIsAVeg@kbin.social
      18·
      1 year ago

      I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see.

      There has to be a line though.

      • nuttydepressor@kbin.social
        9·
        1 year ago

        I saw this person defending exploding-heads (Nazi instance) earlier so I imagine the line looks much different for them than for you.

        • Ataraxia@lemmy.world
          0·
          1 year ago

          It’s sad to see that there are people who see thing as all or nothing. Life requires nuance and every situation needs to be analyzed and treated differently otherwise we end up with blanket policies that are ineffective and even punish those it seeks to protect. Free speech is great but it ends when it becomes a detriment to society or in this case a vulnerable group. I don’t have kids and don’t care to be around them but the idea that someone would find sexual gratification from the image of a child-like body is abhorrent. Also it’s a good indication that these people themselves experienced childhood sexual assault and that needs to be dealt with in a healthy manner, not by normalizing the act.

      • Otome-chan@kbin.social
        8·
        1 year ago

        IMO, unless it’s explicitly illegal, people should be free to share/say/discuss it. let people decide what they wish to see on their own and curate their own experience.

        • noodleneedles@beehaw.org
          6·
          1 year ago

          I believe illustrated child porn is illegal here in Canada, as well as other countries (not going to google it though). Seems like it isn’t in the US? I find it kind of shocking that so many people don’t see an issue with it, tbh.

          • HubertManne@kbin.social
            1·
            1 year ago

            Its not an issue for those you can seperate what they think is ok from what they think should be allowable due to peoples personal freedom. A drawing is a creation of an artist from some sort of media. When its created, no one gets hurt. When its consumed, no one gets hurt. Will I be a consumer. Nope but I also believe in legalization of prositution without planning to go to one. I was for marijuana legalization and have never used it. Rights are not just about what I think is fine.

          • Otome-chan@kbin.social
            3·
            1 year ago

            server host’s laws. the goal being to avoid legal takedowns. I’m a free speech maximalist. The only thing that should ever be taken down IMO is nonconsensual nsfw photos/videos. So cp, revenge porn, deepfakes, etc. along with literal off-topic spam (spammy affiliate links).

            • Roland the Farter@sopuli.xyz
              0·
              1 year ago

              Well, what if do want that? What should be of my sever that is set up in a country where said content was legal? I’m well aware I’m making more of a hypothetical statement here, but I believe that kinda stuff doesn’t really have a place being blatantly public to everyone by default. I can empathize with free speech but I do believe there needs to be at least some sort of soft barriers.

              Also, “avoiding legal takedowns” is kinda sus. I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by it but it really isn’t a strong opener when talking about porn.

              • Otome-chan@kbin.social
                2·
                1 year ago

                What should be of my sever that is set up in a country where said content was legal?

                If you wish to see such content and such content is legal in your area, then you should be free to have an instance that does that. Personally I would support defederating from such a service. These are not merely a preference of content, but rather things that have actual harm to actual people.

                but I believe that kinda stuff doesn’t really have a place being blatantly public to everyone by default.

                “federated” and “public to everyone by default” are two entirely different things. I agree, that nsfw content of any kind shouldn’t be public front page “to everyone by default”. That doesn’t mean we should defederate from nsfw instances.

                Also, “avoiding legal takedowns” is kinda sus. I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by it but it really isn’t a strong opener when talking about porn.

                Keep in mind that legality of nsfw content varies wildly per region. For example, japan explicitly bans any nsfw materials showing genitals that are not blurred/pixelated. So if a server is hosted in japan, then it’s expected that that sort of content (uncensored genitals) would be banned/defederated in order to stay compliant with the laws of the region. Similarly, a server hosted in the middle east might be expected to ban/defederate from instances home to imagery of muhammad, or of nsfw lgbt content.

      • Aeonx@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        I think each person should be allowed to choose what that line is for them, and not have that line chosen for them.

        Disclaimer: I was a victim of child SA, I do not support or condone SA. But I DO support pedophiles who have never and will never act on their desires having a SAFE NONVIOLENT FICTIONAL outlet for their perverted fantasies, if anything so they don’t take that shit out on innocent children.

        • Huschke@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 year ago

          A friend (therapist) of mine worked with pedophiles and the story they told them is that consuming that content leads to more and more desire to actual assault a child.

          I’m no expert in that field, but I personally would rather see such content banned and people that look for it to be served ads that help them.

          • HubertManne@kbin.social
            1·
            1 year ago

            Yes. This is exactly like study after study about violence in video games. Consumption of violent content in video games leads to more and more desire to actually be violent to people.

    • gh0stcassette@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      Eh, I get the principle, and we should definitely be less trigger-happy about defederating than beehaw, but if a server starts tolerating a bunch of drawn CP, we should probably just defederate. That being said, it seems like lemmynsfw is prohibiting it, so I say we keep federating with them unless it becomes clear they won’t actually enforce that rule.

      No reason to cut ourselves off from half the nsfw communities on the fediverse unless we have to.