We're allowing non-IRL loli/shota - Lemmy NSFW
lemmynsfw.com
When I opened this site 5 days ago, I could not have guessed that I would post such a post. But here we are. As you know, we did a poll on this topic here [https://lemmynsfw.com/post/26029]. Around 40% of people said to block, the rest said to not to. In such cases, we wanted to make the poll, even though it doesn’t matter. Right now, I’m still currently agreeing with @bobbiguy2122 [https://lemmynsfw.com/u/bobbiguy2122] here [https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/82152]. We are going to let community moderators handle the situation in within limits. So it’s going to be users choice to subscribe to that community or creating new one with his own rules. #### Why not completely block it If we are going to split, there is so many fractions as well. As someone who only likes women and plain porn, I don’t want to ban tentacle, futanari or gay stuff. Because even though they are kinky, they are also a pleasure. Being attracted to petite teens is just like these pleasures, and the vast majority actually like it. I think we should not ban this pleasure just because it is in a dangerous area. #### As a result First of all we will explicitly ban IRL loli images. Although we will allow non-IRL content under moderator control, tho we will control childish content independently of moderators too. We will make this distinction according to images that look and act like children. #### Defederation I see a lot of people are worried about this situation. But I don’t care. Because as you can see, beehaw, one of the largest instances, blocked the other 2 largest instances. This situation is inevitable in NSFW only instances like us. As a result, you must have one main account, where you can access all instances, and one NSFW account, where you can only access NSFW content. For example, I don’t plan to block any instances on this instance, except in extreme cases.

SEE SECOND EDIT DOWN BELOW

Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the “Loli” announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I’m taking it as a backtrack, but it’s still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven’t seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of “whoops bad English” like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

  • Otome-chan@kbin.social
    8·
    1 year ago

    IMO, unless it’s explicitly illegal, people should be free to share/say/discuss it. let people decide what they wish to see on their own and curate their own experience.

    • noodleneedles@beehaw.org
      6·
      1 year ago

      I believe illustrated child porn is illegal here in Canada, as well as other countries (not going to google it though). Seems like it isn’t in the US? I find it kind of shocking that so many people don’t see an issue with it, tbh.

      • HubertManne@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        Its not an issue for those you can seperate what they think is ok from what they think should be allowable due to peoples personal freedom. A drawing is a creation of an artist from some sort of media. When its created, no one gets hurt. When its consumed, no one gets hurt. Will I be a consumer. Nope but I also believe in legalization of prositution without planning to go to one. I was for marijuana legalization and have never used it. Rights are not just about what I think is fine.

      • Otome-chan@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        server host’s laws. the goal being to avoid legal takedowns. I’m a free speech maximalist. The only thing that should ever be taken down IMO is nonconsensual nsfw photos/videos. So cp, revenge porn, deepfakes, etc. along with literal off-topic spam (spammy affiliate links).

        • Roland the Farter@sopuli.xyz
          0·
          1 year ago

          Well, what if do want that? What should be of my sever that is set up in a country where said content was legal? I’m well aware I’m making more of a hypothetical statement here, but I believe that kinda stuff doesn’t really have a place being blatantly public to everyone by default. I can empathize with free speech but I do believe there needs to be at least some sort of soft barriers.

          Also, “avoiding legal takedowns” is kinda sus. I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by it but it really isn’t a strong opener when talking about porn.

          • Otome-chan@kbin.social
            2·
            1 year ago

            What should be of my sever that is set up in a country where said content was legal?

            If you wish to see such content and such content is legal in your area, then you should be free to have an instance that does that. Personally I would support defederating from such a service. These are not merely a preference of content, but rather things that have actual harm to actual people.

            but I believe that kinda stuff doesn’t really have a place being blatantly public to everyone by default.

            “federated” and “public to everyone by default” are two entirely different things. I agree, that nsfw content of any kind shouldn’t be public front page “to everyone by default”. That doesn’t mean we should defederate from nsfw instances.

            Also, “avoiding legal takedowns” is kinda sus. I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by it but it really isn’t a strong opener when talking about porn.

            Keep in mind that legality of nsfw content varies wildly per region. For example, japan explicitly bans any nsfw materials showing genitals that are not blurred/pixelated. So if a server is hosted in japan, then it’s expected that that sort of content (uncensored genitals) would be banned/defederated in order to stay compliant with the laws of the region. Similarly, a server hosted in the middle east might be expected to ban/defederate from instances home to imagery of muhammad, or of nsfw lgbt content.