Serious question, as I‘ve barely seen any mention of Lemmy on Reddit. None of the Mod posts regarding the Blackout mentioned Lemmy as far as I‘m aware. Would it be against the TOS to start a coordinated promotion?
er, nothing? I found out about lemmy from reddit
I found Lemmy through Reddit because of the protest. If anything, it works.
Same thing for me. But I mostly lurk on reddit. I’d like to make an effort to post here though!
You can promote it all you want on reddit, just always be polite and not obnoxious in any way or form. Not saying that you personally would be, but speaking in general terms too much energy into convincing people to come here might have a negative effect on other people’s motivation.
This! if I see people ask for alternatives I will recommend them, but I’m currently not going out of my way to force it down anyone’s throat.
Yep same. If people say “the protest won’t work it has no teeth.” Or “where else would we go?” I engage, otherwise I’m trying to push my agenda instead of helping people get what they want.
I dont think it’s againts rules, I found Lemmy because of Reddit.
Don’t think it’s against the rules but people will be annoyed if you just throw Lemmy into every conversation. Just spread the word where it’s motivated.
I believe a coordinated and directed action could work well. Obviously random spam would just annoy people but the vast majority still hasn‘t heard of Lemmy yet and if we manage to get to them at least once, would be ideal. We could target the largest subs that are open currently and either put up a comment on a hot post and use our manpower to upvote the comment to the top, or make new posts which are more likely to be removed.
In my experience lemmy was the most suggested alternative on reddit and then tildes, the only time i ever heard abou kbin was the day before the blackout with the subreddit ban and then during it.
I’d never heard of kbin at all until I actually signed up to a Lemmy instance.
I’d heard Lemmy mentioned somewhere before (I’ve searched for reddit alternatives a few times in the past as I got increasingly annoyed by their pushiness towards the app), but only really took notice of it a few days before the blackout when I saw it mentioned many times on reddit.
Kbin I think is really new, I’ve only heard it mentioned fairly recently, and I been exclusively using the fediverse for about a year now
I like the kbin UI and ergonomics a little more than Lemmy.world, but the underpinning tech isn’t going to scale efficiently, being based on PHP. I have a sign on over there too. It’s comfy, but intermittently unusable or unresponsive. So there are some teething pains here, but Kbin is also part of the fediverse, and will hopefully start opening up more federations soon. That should hopefully reduce some load and more users.
The more the Fediverse at large is able to draw off the Rexxit™, the more we all win.
Yeah, I only got an actual link to kbin during the blackout here on lemmy, it was surprising to hear they got so many people so fast. It’s nice they did, i just don’t remember seeing anything about them on the alternatives subreddit or anywhere else.
Kbin seemed to be pushed more on Mastodon than Lemmy was, during and in the run up to the blackout. Lots of people giving new things a go this week, even from places other than Reddit!
That makes sense, from what I’ve seen kbin integrates with mastodon as well (I think you can even set it up so some mastodon hashtags get included in their versions of communities)
Yeah I think you’re right. And they’ll hopefully fix their tech issues soon so we can all be one big happy family again haha
Oh, that makes sense then! mastodon, much like twitter is still a big mystery to me.
It’s a whole new frontier! :D
It is! And I do want to figure out mastodon, if anything, for their Crafting/art community, but I’m having a bit of a hard time figuring ou if/how can I go around visiting other instances I know its possible somehow because users from different ones show up for me, but mastodon is the one in struggling with. It’s not like lemmy or kbin where I can see stuff, they prompt meto make ne an account before I can see anything and I just don’t know how to find the people in the other instances from mine yet. :(
The easiest way is to search for hashtags and click through to profiles that look like they post interesting stuff. You can also check out https://fedi.directory/ where there are suggested accounts to follow for all kinds of different topics. If you’ve not made an intro post there yet, do that too with the tag #introduction and any other tags you’re interested in, that way people will come to you!
Also what kind of crafts and do I already follow you there? 👀 lol
I did hear of Lemmy first, with immediate criticism about supporting the CCP and so on. The second alternative mentioned on Reddit was kbin which is where I went first.
Unfortunately kbin runs on PHP and you can really feel the site lagging at times, no clue why someone would port a stable Rust code base to this mess. lemmy.ml is lighting fast in comparison and has working federation.
I did also try sh.itjust.works as an alternative Lemmy instance (which would be nice as it blocks lemmygrad.ml), but it’s in Canada and I’m in Europe, so the latency is noticeable.
So now I’m here, oh well.
Funny, I mentioned joining Lemmy on reddit and had someone go “join tildes, it’ll be easier” and then I went to tildes and in the first comment chain about rexxit there was a guy like “now I know it’s much harder to join tildes than Lemmy” and I didn’t know what was going to be easier or whatever but I liked the federation idea so I came here lol
Nothing so far.
The automod post I have set up at r/edc links to the sopuli.xyz/c/edc version.
At r/knives, we have both the lemmy and squabbles versions linked.
Neither myself, or the mods I comoderate with at the knives sub have faced any issues. This could change, but as long as you aren’t spamming the hell out of it, they aren’t coming after mods, or users doing it here and there.
There was the new sub, r/lemmymigration, that got pulled down then reinstated after backlash though, and the person running that got banned for a bit. There’s also been reports of anti-protest mods requesting, and getting, senior mods removed in their favor. All of which is bullshit that merits huffman getting kicked in the nads, but it was expected.
None of the Mod posts regarding the Blackout mentioned Lemmy as far as I‘m aware
Rumor has it they banned a lot of mods and communities for encouraging exactly that to their subscribers, so it was considered quite risky.
Something weird happened to me, I was no longer subscribed to two of my most active subs after having been subscribed for a decade. So when they went private I was locked out. I had only messaged one moderator about the protest and they went private.
Pirate family on reddit exposed me to the wonders of lemmy, so at the very least piracy mods are based. Indefinite black outs too instead of that weak 2 day protest.
There is r/lemmymigration and r/kbinmigration . Kbin got banned pretty quick, but seems reinstated now (at least I can see it on Stealth).
Lemmy development really needs another couple weeks or a month. There are over 100 instances peering and it’s really pushing the database systems hard with the 100,000 users already. Database tuning and query optimization in the code is the order of the day. I also think some of the new front-end apps for web and smartphones would help.
I’m genuinely asking and don’t mean this the way it sounds, but is this supposition or have you observed this yourself?
Everyone says their own instances aren’t very resource intensive. Even the larger instances like lemmy.world don’t seem to have huge specs.
Although there’s a lot of subscriptions there doesn’t seem to be an overwhelming amount of content being produced. The most active threads in /home have like 150 comments over 2 days? I don’t have the data and this really is mere supposition but it just doesn’t seem like that much load.
I did see they pushed a new version with some db optimisations so that’s probably an indicator that you’re right. Also things just feel unstable. Unusually long page load times or 500 errors just occasionally. Things definitely aren’t great I’m just not certain that db linkages are the problem.
I’m genuinely asking and don’t mean this the way it sounds, but is this supposition or have you observed this yourself?
Yes, and I’ve been building social media message systems since 1984, and I’m a published author on messaging systems. I described some of the data integrity and sever malfunctions on multiple systems that have small to large numbers of users, including my own system on Oracle Cloud that has only me as a developer/user. Example of how it is failing: https://lemmy.ml/comment/616698
If you post a hyperlink on Reddit to Lemmy, it will be autoremoved.
Try it now
Let’s see how long it stays up.
As the others have mentioned, I found out about Lemmy through multiple posts on Reddit. So at least at the time, a few days back, mentions of Lemmy were not being blocked / banned.
About promoting now: I think what would be better is if the supportive sub mods at Reddit made a community (or sublemmy, or whatever it should be correctly called) here first, and then posted a link to it on their blackout page on Reddit.
All that being said I am not sure I want a lot of the existing Reddit horde to invade Lemmy, but I guess I can’t have my cake and eat it too.
I created https://lemmy.ml/c/azcardinals and promoted it on /r/azcardinals, (the only sub i am going to miss for gameday threads etc), and 99% of the comments were just talking about how stupid all these protests are and how the reddit app is fine and its the only app they ever used. Some of them didn’t even know their were 3rd party apps. 🤷♂️
A vast majority of users seem to not care. Like at all. Obviously if those people have only ever used the relatively new reddit app they are pretty casual and new users. I really think that is the disconnect here. /u/spez sees that reddit has exploded in the last 5 or so years and those numbers are a quick payday if he can monetize quickly. But the OG power users that created meaningful content and moderated subs are leaving (or honestly left years ago). The platform will become (more) recycled tiktoc reposts and reposted tweets with toxic, useless comment chains. And maybe it will thrive as a business with that type of traffic, but that wasteland is not somewhere I want to be.
I agree. Earlier today I popped in to lurk Reddit to see what’s going on, and as a treat I sorted on “Controversial” on the front page. Overwhelmingly, the users who are still on there do not want to go dark again. Like you said, they just do not care at all.
The issue is that not only do they not care, they do not understand what the protest is about and they do not even want to understand. They do not care for the site’s legacy, they do not care for what made Reddit attractive to begin with, they do not care for users and mods affected by Reddit’s proposed changes, they do not care that a handful of corporates should not have so much control over internet content. Nothing. They want their doom-scroll Reddit fix, that’s it and apparently lose their mind if that goes away even for a couple of days.
Most seem to feel that it’s mods power-tripping over nothing and if they have an issue with Reddit they should just leave. Problem solved. I hope as many mods there as possible just lock up their subs forever and leave. Nothing stops the remaining people from creating new subs even right now or from Reddit (the company) eventually reopening them and figuring out moderation and content.
The worst possible fate for reddit would be if the mods became all reddit employees. You would have those mindless drones that don’t care about these protests or the legacy, and the entire conversation controlled by people that have money at stake depending on how the conversations go.
While I know it happened to an extent on the bigger subs, the control of the conversation is a huge. What made Reddit what it was is the ability to talk straight to an average person. People that have had similar experiences and have no skin in the game. If you have an issue with your 3d printer, for example, you can find someone in /r/3dprinting there who had the same issue with the same printer and find a real world way to fix it. If you google (and don’t click on the reddit link) you will find nothing but over bloated pages with no answer other than a product to buy, or a 15 minute youtube video with someone showing off all their fancy equipment and a possible answer… but they are sponsored by the company who sold the product that “fixes” it.
Or if a company runs an add campaign and it turns out they have a shit product and the conversation goes sideways, they can just remove the bad comments.
Or politics, someone posts something about a candidate and someone shows up, with receipts, with how they aren’t great. Those conversations can disappear if the person modding actually has money or a job depending on how the conversation goes when that candidate is mentioned.
Like I said, I know it already happens to an extent. But if the mods are all on the payroll they can steer the entire conversation. Facebook does it’s thing, usually with smaller audiences (People’s friends and family). Twitter someone can make a bs post but the comments are usually all gibberish. When someone sees something on Reddit, then all the top comments confirm it… people get that confirmation bias. That could be powerful, and… profitable.
The real hard pill to swallow is that Redditors, the people who created content and modded subs, for free… are no longer the END USERS. The END USERS are whoever wants to manipulate the masses. Politicians, advertisers etc.
The Redditors are now the PRODUCT.
The real tin foil hat part that is eating at me lately, I know, I am going to sound fucking nuts, but there is a huge push for the control of information lately. There was the nixing of net neutrality a few years ago and everyone’s solution was to use a VPN. They have been slowly boiling the water the frog is sitting in with that one. I can’t pay my home internet bill while I am at work connected to verizon unless I turn my VPN on. So it is happening.
Now, this RESTRICT ACT comes out of nowhere, banning VPN’s (Hmmm, that’s convenient) using communist China and TicTok as the scapegoat. While congress sits up there pretending they don’t know what a router is. The internet, a relatively new aspect of humanity, has let information spread like crazy. A politician can’t hide his shit by paying off the billionaires on the news. They just don’t have as much control of the narrative anymore. Their wars are hated, their tax cuts for the rich are obviously BS, the masses see the billionaires while they are on their phone while they sit on the toilet at their minimum wage jobs working for them through a pandemic.
The herd is pissed off. And their solution is to control the flow of information instead. And a mass majority of people just… don’t… fucking… care…
… yet
/rant
I swear I am not crazy.
I swear I am not crazy.
No, you are not. At least not based on what you said above, or maybe we both are crazy because I agree with you :)
are no longer the END USERS. […] The Redditors are now the PRODUCT.
I think this is the core issue I have with the current internet. I am not even rabidly anti-corporate or against reasonable commercialization. But the whole schtick nowadays is so ridiculous: Get users to your site and try to keep them only over there, make THEM generate your content, which primarily means users voluntarily revealing an astounding level of details about their lives and thoughts, and then sell all this information to whoever and / or manipulate your users for whatever nefarious political or commercial purpose.
And people are absolutely fine with all this >_<
as One person put it if the people who actually make the good content leave then the lurkers will follow!!!
I am trying to spread it on reddit but I am just a drop in the sea
You reached me. It may have only been a weak 2 day planned protest, but I’m here. I’m grateful for those that had spread the word. My dumbass certainly isn’t smart enough to have found this place on my own.
Many drops make a puddle
I’ll join the drops
Redditors in general just aren’t that into lemmy. Most redditors come here expecting to find a 1 for 1 replacement pre-warmed with millions of users and brimming with reddit culture.
Not having an algorithm to tell people what they want to see is a bigger impediment to attracting users than most people realise.
Additionally, I think mods are reluctant to direct users to any other community as they will give up lordship of their own fiefdom. Sorry, I acknowledge that I have probably an unfairly dim view of mods. I’m sure some are amazing, but certainly many are self-obsessed power trippers. They act in their own interests to preserve control rather than acting in the interest of the community.
I acknowledge that I have probably an unfairly dim view of mods. I’m sure some are amazing, but certainly many are self-obsessed power trippers. They act in their own interests to preserve control rather than acting in the interest of the community.
You’re not alone. I absolutely detest Reddit mods for this. I only hope Lemmy doesn’t turn out that way for what I consider to be egregious acts of injustice when I participate in good faith.
