A jury has found a delivery driver not guilty in the shooting of a YouTube prankster who was following him around a mall food court earlier this year

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    1 year ago

    the whole point of firearms is that it’s deadly force. you can’t fire one at a person without being ready to take their life because it’s always a likely outcome.

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      But no one was killed. You can’t put a person in jail for shooting at someone else assuming that their intent was to kill.

      This is coming from someone who despise the idea of owning a gun.

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              Understood. I know that firearms can kill. Stabbing too.

              But not every use of a firearm is with the intent to kill. Someone could just shoot to a foot or a hand. Foolish? Sure. Intent to kill? Nah.

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                Those are very small targets. They’d be hard enough to hit on a static range with no pressure. They’d be even harder to hit when moving, in a stressful situation, at close range. If you miss, you could hit someone else. Even if you hit them, the bullet will probably go right through and into whatever is beyond. This is why you aim for center of mass. Easier to hit, less chance of overpenetration, and more effective in stopping an attacker in a life-or-death situation.

                Despite what the movies may show, you can’t just shoot to wound. If you shoot someone in the leg, and hit the femoral artery, they can bleed to death in seconds: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17334183/

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                  Those are just strawmen. It doesn’t matter if “those are small targets” or if “you can still hit an artery.” What matters in the persons’s intent.

                  That’s like saying that “any person delivering a punch to someone else’s face intends to kill them because of the possibility of the punched falling down and cracking their skull open on the floor.”

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                    1 year ago

                    Yeah, for fights that’s very possible. And in fact that would have been preferable if feasible in this scenario, because it’s still far less likely to be fatal than shooting someone.

                    Proper use of a firearm is intending to kill someone. Again, there is no way to use a firearm to be less-lethal. If you shoot someone, you are shooting to kill. Presumably this guy had some CCW training and would know that.

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                Nobody that’s ever used a gun is taught to shoot at the edge of the target. Aim center-mass or don’t even pull the weapon.

                • El Barto@lemmy.world
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                  Making a lot of assumptions here. What about people who use guns without that kind of training? Because those people exist, or else you wouldn’t see gun-related accidents being reported in the news.

                  Regardless, and again, not the point. As there were no people killed here, and the shooter was acquited, so…

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        But no one was killed

        That’s just luck.

        An inch either way that bullet could have been fatal.

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        1 year ago

        You can certainly put them in jail for attempted murder. And that doesn’t require proving they intended to kill that person, it only requires “conscious disregard” of whether their action could kill someone. For example, randomly shooting into someone’s house.