Robertson was one of the most prominent and influential Christian broadcasters and entrepreneurs in the U.S., equal parts religious leader and culture warrior.
He spent his life making it as difficult as possible to be LGBT in this country. He repeatedly spat hatred and vile remarks towards me and my community. I have no remorse in reveling in his passing.
This ghoul did nothing but cause pain his whole life. We don’t owe him anything. Your attitude actively cuts paths for bigots. It is much more shameful to say nothing or act like he wasn’t evil.
Being happy is one thing, but hating on a dead person is something else. Also It’s one thing to say “I’m glad his negativity isn’t around” versus cussing him out and saying cynical negative things. There’s a balance here.
This is my opinion and my experience that hating on the dead isn’t a good feeling for the one saying it and others reading it. These people claim to be morally better? Come on
It’s disgusting that you would draw a direct equivalence between the hatred, suffering, and trauma caused by this man, and the expression of natural human emotions that harm no one. Any difference between, “I’m glad his negativity isn’t around” and any other expression of joy exists only in your head.
Shove your put-on airs of moral superiority where they belong. Adhering to any individual aspect of hadith might make you a better muslim but it doesn’t automatically make you a better human being. You’re using your religion to alienate yourself from people, you’re weaponizing it. If you can’t come up with an argument that isn’t divine fiat, shove it. Just shove it.
These people claim to be morally better? Come on
You are saying that the people who are relieved they are not going to be abused and subjected to degradation and dehumanization by this man any longer are morally equivalent to this foul, evil man, simply because they dare utter their relief. And you’re not just gossipping among your muslim friends, you’re actually saying it to their face, like you have some kind of fucking personal moral authority on the subject that a stranger on the Internet is going to possibly respect.
Fuck you. I don’t need to be told by a divine being that you’re not being a good person. Your posturing and true motivations are obvious. There are moral cowards who hide behind every religion. I think you have more in common with Robertson than we do. “One should not speak useless words.”
“automatically make you a better human being” according to you.
Clearly, the way you type and lack of decorum, reason, patience or moral character make your judgements unreliable. In fact, someone who behaves so despicably like yourself, that hates me is a compliment. If you have such reprehensible attributes that means I have the opposite, Hamdou’Allah
My, you sure showed me. By totally ignoring the content of my criticisms, you have completely disproved them! Amazing. Truly I have been “checkmated” by an intellectual giant.
The only thing your comment served was your own emotional needs. It did not communicate a single useful thought. You could have said, “I know you are but what am I,” and it would have had the same meaning and gravitas.
Yeah, no. Bad people are still bad, even after they have passed. I can’t believe anyone would have a problem saying,“Fuck Hitler!” Or Pol Pot. Or Stalin. Or <it’s a long list>. People who undermine the norms of society and spend their lives making other people’s lives worse should not get forgiveness, even in death.
I am not so sure that its unhealthy. the man was a bigot hiding behind religion - something that countless bigots have done for thousands of years. a little shadenfreude can be quite healthy.
Reveling on someone’s death no matter how despicable isn’t healthy in any way shape or form.
You can choose silence instead of spewing negativity.
He spent his life making it as difficult as possible to be LGBT in this country. He repeatedly spat hatred and vile remarks towards me and my community. I have no remorse in reveling in his passing.
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What a bizarre rant.
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How did you figure that?
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It’s still a bizarre rant. But how did you ‘figure that one would be above me’ if we’ve never conversed?
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This ghoul did nothing but cause pain his whole life. We don’t owe him anything. Your attitude actively cuts paths for bigots. It is much more shameful to say nothing or act like he wasn’t evil.
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Sir this is Pat Robertson we’re talking about. Of course people who’s lives have been impacted by his hate are going to be happy
Being happy is one thing, but hating on a dead person is something else. Also It’s one thing to say “I’m glad his negativity isn’t around” versus cussing him out and saying cynical negative things. There’s a balance here.
This is my opinion and my experience that hating on the dead isn’t a good feeling for the one saying it and others reading it. These people claim to be morally better? Come on
It’s disgusting that you would draw a direct equivalence between the hatred, suffering, and trauma caused by this man, and the expression of natural human emotions that harm no one. Any difference between, “I’m glad his negativity isn’t around” and any other expression of joy exists only in your head.
As a Muslim we’re not allowed to hate on the dead https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/5364
I thought that was shared with other backgrounds. Clearly not.
Shove your put-on airs of moral superiority where they belong. Adhering to any individual aspect of hadith might make you a better muslim but it doesn’t automatically make you a better human being. You’re using your religion to alienate yourself from people, you’re weaponizing it. If you can’t come up with an argument that isn’t divine fiat, shove it. Just shove it.
You are saying that the people who are relieved they are not going to be abused and subjected to degradation and dehumanization by this man any longer are morally equivalent to this foul, evil man, simply because they dare utter their relief. And you’re not just gossipping among your muslim friends, you’re actually saying it to their face, like you have some kind of fucking personal moral authority on the subject that a stranger on the Internet is going to possibly respect.
Fuck you. I don’t need to be told by a divine being that you’re not being a good person. Your posturing and true motivations are obvious. There are moral cowards who hide behind every religion. I think you have more in common with Robertson than we do. “One should not speak useless words.”
“automatically make you a better human being” according to you.
Clearly, the way you type and lack of decorum, reason, patience or moral character make your judgements unreliable. In fact, someone who behaves so despicably like yourself, that hates me is a compliment. If you have such reprehensible attributes that means I have the opposite, Hamdou’Allah
Checkmate.
My, you sure showed me. By totally ignoring the content of my criticisms, you have completely disproved them! Amazing. Truly I have been “checkmated” by an intellectual giant.
The only thing your comment served was your own emotional needs. It did not communicate a single useful thought. You could have said, “I know you are but what am I,” and it would have had the same meaning and gravitas.
You should try pissing on margaret thatcher’s grave some time.
There are some people who have far too much hate in their heart and the world is strictly worse off for their existence.
Those people are few and far between, but they do exist.
As a Muslim we’re not allowed to hate on the dead https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/5364
I thought that was shared with other backgrounds. Clearly not.
Yeah, no. Bad people are still bad, even after they have passed. I can’t believe anyone would have a problem saying,“Fuck Hitler!” Or Pol Pot. Or Stalin. Or <it’s a long list>. People who undermine the norms of society and spend their lives making other people’s lives worse should not get forgiveness, even in death.
You can also choose silence instead of spewing self-righteousness.
@stanleytweedle @rationalistfaith But you can’t?
I chose not to spew self-righteousness.
@stanleytweedle How is judging somebody else for not celebrating death anything other than self righteousness?
I don’t care if you celebrate or not. Reprimanding others for not sharing vacuous sentiments about death is the self-righteous part.
…and then you say: ‘You’re self-righteous for saying I’m self-righteous!’
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> I don’t care if you celebrate or not.
If you care so little about whether or not people celebrate death, why do you care so much when someone says to not celebrate death?
Because it’s self-righteous, we’ve been over this.
@stanleytweedle How is it self-righteous?
Hating on the dead isn’t the same as calling out people that do.
Right, their feelings about a dead hatemonger are none of your business so ‘calling them out’ is painfully self-righteous.
As a Muslim we’re not allowed to hate on the dead https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/5364
I thought that was shared with other backgrounds. Clearly not.
Clearly different. Nice that we all agree.
I am not so sure that its unhealthy. the man was a bigot hiding behind religion - something that countless bigots have done for thousands of years. a little shadenfreude can be quite healthy.
As a Muslim we’re not allowed to hate on the dead https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/5364
I thought that was shared with other backgrounds. Clearly not.
This is the exact opposite of what to do when someone who has hurt so many dies.
As a Muslim we’re not allowed to hate on the dead https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/5364
I thought that was shared with other backgrounds. Clearly not.
Disagree.