And I hate their blue-rich eye searing headlights to.

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        If your oversized modern SUV can fit, any minivan can fit, and the SUV provides less interior space because they universally waste internal space, while vans maximize space, while maximizing stability and safety as much as they can, so the least safe seat is the “navigator’s seat,” or the passenger seat up front. Other than that particular potential death seat, that I sit in routinely, the rest of the van is almost as well defended as the SUV, the SUV may have better defenses against gunfire.

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          If your oversized modern SUV can fit, any minivan can fit

          Oh? By what numbers, specifically, are you comparing?

          The Chrysler Pacifica, for example, comes in at nearly two feet longer than the average mid sized SUV I ended up getting.

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            Length isn’t the limiting factor for most “average” SUVs in getting into a garage. Height and width are the issues. I’ve never had a garage or carport that I couldn’t park my mother’s Dodge Ram 3500 15 passenger van in, and that’s even longer than the Pacifica. Meanwhile, my friend can’t get his Explorer into his garage, cause it will hit the roof.

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              Length isn’t the limiting factor for most “average” SUVs in getting into a garage.

              You seem to be making quite the generalization there - while not actually providing any numbers.

              I’ve never had a garage or carport that I couldn’t park my mother’s Dodge Ram 3500 15 passenger van in, and that’s even longer than the Pacifica.

              That’s awesome. Unfortunately, your experience doesn’t change that my garage does not allow for the length of a van.

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      They can carry more passengers OR cargo vs a truck. I love minivans, but the only way you’re getting anywhere near a pickup-truck sized bed space is by folding/removing all the seats and making it a two-seater.

      And even then, you can’t put anything wet or messy back there.

      Pickup trucks have their upsides for people who need them.

      SUV’s don’t make much sense to me, other than the case where you need the people space AND you need to tow something heavy.

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        SUV’s don’t make much sense to me, other than the case where you need the people space AND you need to tow something heavy.

        I wouldn’t say heavy, but yes, combined people + cargo + bikes space is pretty much it for us.

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          Minivans can tow light trailers, usually as much as a car. The big SUV’s approach 9-10K lb towing capacity.

          That said, you can probably get a decent used SUV for less than a minivan.

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            Cars can easily tow as much as a medium sized truck. Minivans and full sized vans can tow as much or more than a full sized pickup or SUV.

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            Minivans are DQ’d by another constraint in that they don’t fit in my garage thus I cannot ensure full coverage insurance and can guarantee it would sustain significant damage within a few years as my state has the kind of hail-and-tornadoes weather insurance companies know and hate.

            They’re otherwise amazing especially for cargo capacity. Seeing my auto shop teacher pull two transmissions out of the back of one back in my highschool days… seriously adjusted my opinion of them and their utility.

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              Oh dang, that’s a rough constraint. Is it a length problem? I would think the sliding door would be perfect for a tight garage.

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                It is a length problem, yes. My Outlander and Volt barely fit lengthwise.

                Apparently Iowa home designers had much less grand expectations of garage capacity back in the '90s.

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                  My condolences, that sucks Glad you were able to find something that’s worked out for you at least! If you ever need to tow random stuff but don’t want to store a trailer, harbor freight makes one that folds in half and stores vertically.

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        Minivans can’t keep up with a real truck, but most of the “trucks” sold today have a smaller bed than a 1982 Toyota pickup. They couldn’t even begin to compete with a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge pickup of the same era of 1982, where those American made pickups are less than 1/3 the size of the modern US made variants, and can still carry almost 4 times their modern varient.

        All that was so that I could say this: modern Sprinter, Transit, and 15 passenger Vans have more passenger and cargo capabilities than any of these so called trucks that cannot carry even 50% of the exact same model trucks that existed 20 years ago, and still couldn’t carry more than a 15 passenger van in terms of passengers or cargo.

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        Minivans have tons of space for 4 people and related sports gear in all by the most extreme cases like 4 kayaks (2 kayaks? Put on roof)

        Dirty or wet? Lay down a blanket.

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          When I say messy or wet I mean a half ton of dirt, a yard full of trees trimmings, a bed full of recently used septic equipment.

          Not to mention chemicals you probably don’t want to share airspace with. Had a friend with a pool cleaning biz that used a ranger for this reason.

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            Sorry but I can only laugh. Guys was talking about “two children and related sports gear” and you’re off talking about septic equipment instead? Lol. Talk about bad faith discussion.

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                Good communication is talking about the topic at hand, not going on wild tangents without actually saying so and then only after the fact say you were discussing septic tanks lol. Enjoy your bad faith last word, cheers.