• Croquette@sh.itjust.works
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    But it seems that when religion is intermixed with politics, it inevitably leads to dictatorships or regressive government.

    At one point, where is the separation? I get that dictatorships also happen without religion, but it seems that religious parties in power inevitably bring a regressive agenda with them.

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      Religion in general is based on a utopian (and usually archaic) view of the world and humanity so it is inherently at odds with reality, so it constantly needs to be pushed on people to keep them following it. If you have a government that depends on following the rules and your government is religious based then you now have to force people to keep following seemingly arbitrary and ridiculous rules “just because”.

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      I’d say that this is an example of correlation vs causation (nowadays the conditions that are likely to produce religious governments are also exceedingly likely to produce dictatorships), but either way that’s not what I’m talking about.

      The point is: There’s nothing in Islam justifying the shit they’re doing in Iran. At times like these people tend to forget that Middle Eastern cultures themselves are quiet sexist, and are many times actually held back by Islam, speaking as a Middle Eastern guy. That aside, this is a dictatorship that’s using Islam to give itself legitimacy; Islam itself doesn’t support this kind of behavior in the slightest, and most Muslims don’t either.

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        I understand that Islam doesn’t support anything like that in the scriptures, just like many other religions.

        But religion has been used for milleniums as a cover for atrocious actions. At this point, they are not separable. So when is it enough?

        Religion is inherently conservative. And we see everyday what conservatism does to the planet and the society.

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          But religion has been used for milleniums as a cover for atrocious actions. At this point, they are not separable. So when is it enough?

          But don’t non-religious dictatorships also commit atrocious actions? In the end a cover is just that: a cover.

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            I am not talking about dictatorships only. Religion has been used to cover so many atrocities that it’s impossible to dissociate the actions from the religion itself.

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            But don’t non-religious dictatorships also commit atrocious actions?

            Just because people die from heart attacks doesn’t mean cancer does not kill.

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          1 year ago

          The USSR was atheist and was easily as terrible as Iran is now.

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            I am not saying that being a secular person stops that person from being shitty, but religion has been used to cover so many atrocities that the actions taken in the name of the religion cannot be disassociated from the religion itself.

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        There is nothing inherent in Islam (or any religion) either way. You can present it as moderate or extremist depending on what parts of it you emphasize more, not unlike reform vs ultra orthodox judaism.