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    The increase in retail sales is a powerful one for local businesses, who usually argue against this kind of thing.

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      They are arguing in bad faith - their true motivation is that they want a parking space for themselves right outside the business

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        I struggle to believe that most people are that set on not walking at most 5 mins that they are willing to loose out on that much extra money.

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    I was in Salt Lake City yesterday. Was one of the most bike friendly cities I’ve ever been to in the US. A group ride with 100s of people was happening until midnight. There was also decent public transportation and tons of rentable bicycles and scooters galore. Ya’ll should be proud of what you’ve done there downtown.

    Granted it was still an American city. There was still loud car traffic and lengthy timed crosswalks.

    But it did give me an idea. What if cars were prohibited from downtown? If there were well placed parking decks surrounding the square? What if shipping trucks used back alleys or were infrequent enough that they could drive on walking surfaces? People would walk or use bikes or scooters to get where they need to go. Perhaps a hop-on-hop-off train or buses or tram for longer commutes for those who cannot or choose not to walk?

    The streets would be quiet. Green spaces abound interspersed among the buildings. The city could be built for people and life instead of cars.

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        Outside peak hours, by very slow-moving delivery vehicles. This is a solved problem all over Europe

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        There are plenty of cities around the world with downtowns closed to cars, and a lot of thriving stores.

        There are solutions, this is not an excuse to to allow cars in city centers

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        In Barcelona they converted the grids so instead of having all traffic on every street it is one for cars in direction a, one for pedestrians and cyclists and then one for cars in the other direction and again one for pedestrians and cyclists etc, they still manage to stock stores etc so it’s very possible.

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    too bad we have a bike org here that has browbeat the city into allowing it to ignore traffic ordinances.

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      I feel like this isn’t the first one in Manhattan.

      Does the West Side Highway or the 6th Ave. one not count?

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    people will still find ways for vehicles to hit them

    was in the city yesterday and someone decided to walk behind a reversing vehicle that was leaving the parking space then proceeded to blame them

    also speed limits are not enforced in the United States very well

    we need either one or the other and don’t have the transportation technology for both at this current point in time

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      someone decided to walk behind a reversing vehicle that was leaving the parking space then proceeded to blame them

      You mean someone backed their car into a pedestrian without making sure the way was clear?

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        You might have forgotten over half of all people are idiots. Driver and pedestrian alike. No excuse for the driver not looking out being the liable one, but a lot of people walk right into shit because they’re either: not paying attention, think if something happens they can sue for money, or are frankly idiots.

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          I bike or walk everywhere I go, so I’m familiar with having to watch out for drivers. That being said, I think the person operating thousands of pounds of steel bears more responsibility than anyone just walking around. You’re controlling a machine capable of killing people, you should really pay attention to what you’re doing.

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        I favor designed spaces for pedestrians over more cops/enforcement any day.

        ACAB and passive enforcement over active enforcement. It saves money and lives.

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        Yup, the intersection in Sunnyside Queens where Tom Holland’s Spiderman lives was the worst place for pedestrian deaths in the city until the city curved the road a bit about 1 mile back.

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        Enforcement can never solve speeding.

        Tired of them pretending like that’s what they are doing… instead of admitting that they are fleecing people with bad impulse control or a genuine emergency

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        We’ve had several people killed in their living rooms in the last few years by cars just crashing straight through the front of the house. I’m sure keeping a head on a swivel will work there.

        Enforcing speed limits has been shown time and again with research to not work long term. Just chasing people around only gets a brief change in behavior. The design of the road sets the speeds, not the fear of punishment. Re-engineering the roads to enforce slow driving is the first real step, the second being to remove car routes in favor of mass transit, biking, and pedestrian routes being the actual win.