Nice to finally hear some small positive news from here on terf island.

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    Ok so by claiming that trans women having the equal right to access women’s spaces goes against cis women’s rights you are implying that trans women are the danger. We are not. Also, if a man wants to hurt women in women’s spaces a sign on a door isn’t going to stop him. There is no need for a man to pretend to be a woman to be able to hurt women. They can just do it.

    Gendered washrooms etc are the norm, non gendered spaces are not always available. Do you expect a trans woman to use the men’s spaces which puts us at higher risk of danger?

    Ultimately the crux of your argument comes down to one simple yes or no question.

    Do you believe that trans women are women?

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      3 days ago

      I haven’t found a place that hasn’t had a non gendered space. Disabled bathrooms are a legal requirement in most places.

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        You didn’t answer the question. Do you believe that trans women are women, yes or no ?

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          Still figuring that one out. The Supreme Court says “no”, other people say yes. I don’t see a clear-cut answer to the question.

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              This is about the affects on the wellbeing of transgender people when they get a sex change operation.

              The answer to the question involves biology, philosophy, theology, neuroscience, ethics, and statistics, among others most likely. You’ll probably get a different answer depending who you ask. I think it should be less about that question you asked and moreso how can we ethically make those people feel comfortable with themselves as well as the rest of society comfortable with integrating people who choose to identify as the opposite sex.

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                Please stop dodging the question. It’s a simple yes or no question that is fundamental to the discussion of trans people’s right to live as they are equally to cis people of the same gender.

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                  2 days ago

                  It’s not a simple yes or no question. Seeing everything in black and white is part of the problem.

                  As it stands and in light of the Supreme Court Ruling, I wouldn’t see a transgender woman to be as equally a woman as a cisgendered woman, but I wouldn’t see her as a man either. It depends on what you’re talking about, whether it’s socially, medically, neurologically, theologically, ethically, in the eyes of everyone else, legally, etc.

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                    I am a transgender woman. I look like a woman, I think like a woman, I have the hormones of a woman, I have experienced the misogyny that women experience, I have used women’s washrooms and change rooms and other spaces for a decade at this point without issue, I have used these spaces along side cis women who knew that I am trans and cis women who didn’t know. There has never been an issue because I am a woman who uses those spaces like any other. I have been socialized like a woman, I feel like a woman, I identify as a woman.

                    Am I a woman?