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I’m neither the top one nor the bottom, but something in the middle.
First of all, whenever there’s a war somewhere, especially one that your political leadership has its own stakes in, there’s a shitton of propaganda so it’s outright impossible to know what’s going on for sure until some time 20 years after the war when the “fog” clears up. But by then, most people have lost interest.
It’s easy to see that Palestinians have lived on their land for centuries and the Israelite settlers were placed there sometime around 1950 so by the principle of “who lived there longer” it would be easy to see who’s right and who’s the intruder here, but: The religious US insists that Israel will bring about the “second coming of Jesus”, so it should exist. I don’t buy the “second coming of Jesus through Israel” story, but i take it to be an abstraction for some kind of “Israel brings a certain kind of international order through its continuous existence” thought. Such a thought could be that “the US projects power into the world by forcefully holding an outpost in the middle east” or “the outpost is especially important as it is directly in the middle of the world (go take a look at the world map and Israel is actually quite central) and so it’s especially useful to radiate power”. But these are just abstract speculations. What’s real is the suffering of Palestinian people, and IMHO if the US really wanted the land in the middle east, it should buy it from the Muslims with proper procedure, with contracts and payments and all, instead of taking it by force.
The other story is the one about Ukraine. As far as i could find out, the conflict between Ukraine and Russia goes back to 1920-1930 when 6 million Ukrainians were starved to death due to Russia’s cruel agricultural/economic policy. It was the first few years of the Sovjet Union and things were wild and mistakes were made, and the Ukraine suffered more than anyone else in the Sovjet Union, so there’s a kind of special conflict there. Similar to what Ireland has towards England as the English let them starve during the Potato Famine.
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As a rule of thumb, if you want to know who is the most evil in a war, it’s generally the ones doing the genocide.
Some people seem to not get that point.
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You’ll never believe this, but sometimes Putin doesn’t tell the truth.
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No the fact they are stealing kids and killing civilians does.
You are one of three things IMO: tankie, shill, or dumb.
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Oh joy a flase binary.
Dude. Neither are good, and I perfer neither.
You are not in good faith.
Dude. Neither are good, and I perfer neither.
Then we agree.
You are not in good faith.
Why? Because I’m questioning whether or not Russia is committing a genocide?
Da, tavarish.
Not recognizing a distinct culture and trying to kill them because they want to be distinct is literally genocide.
Giving the ultimatum of “You can be Russian or you can die” when the victims are saying “We’re Ukrainian, not Russian” is literally genocide.
Where did you read that Russia made this ultimatum?
Lol is that not what’s happening?
Your original comment suggested that’s what was happening, too. But it got deleted, so I can’t quote you on it directly.
The russians
Yes it fucking can.
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Czechs and Germans. The Germans viewed around 1 third of Czechs, if I remember the number right, as being suitable for German “breeding”. Guess what the rest were? The Czechs were Germans, they just needed a little “cleaning”. (I’m just reiterating a disgusting Nazi view. I think it’s very clear I don’t support it, but I want to be crystal clear)
How is Ukraine comparable? The Nazis had their mad eugenics. What is Russia supposedly doing that’s comparable? Is Russia following some eugenicist policy?
So what you’re saying is, doing stuff like bombing children’s hospitals is acceptable to you, so long as they’re not doing it for eugenics?
Would you like to explain to me how Turkiye has never genocided Kurds, whom they regard as “Mountain Turks”?
Are you really that uneducated about how two things can simultaneously be correct while it is at odds of your limited understanding?
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So you don’t understand.
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I’ve literally never seen this inconsistency before until I saw this one guy in the comments here.
Unless he’s also pro-genocide in Gaza, I don’t know
It is a typical tankie stance. You will see it all the time on .ml or similar. They pretend to care about the Palestinian genocide, but are not only perfectly fine with the Ukrainian one, they actively support Putin and his imperialist aggression.
It highlights that they don’t actually care about Palestine or genocide in general, they are just virtue signalling for “their side”.
Ah, I tend to ignore .ml communities and their users, lol
It is unfortunately common amongst certain segments of the Western left.
it’s so weird watching people be so confidently outspoken on something they’ve clearly not thought through for a moment.
