Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.

Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion

Edit2: IP= intellectal property

Edit3: sort by controversal

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    Any debt or due you owe needs to be paid back unless you were forced physically to sign the contract. I’m just waiting for advocates of debts forgiveness. If you don’t like variable interest rates, just ask for the fixed one… They’re more expensive but they’re fixed

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      5 days ago

      I think student loan and healthcare debt is immoral. No civilized first world country should be bankrupting it’s citizens with debt from getting education or healthcare.

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        On what basis you say it’s immoral? It’s moral on the behalf both Tanakh, the Bible and Quoran.

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          Healthcare debt could be considered to be under duress. At what point are you “physically forced” to sign? Does “accept this medical treatment or die” make the cut?

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            Don’t reinvent the oldest laws in the world. Just read it… No, you’re are not forced by anyone, just living with consequences of your choices in most cases. Most of cancers and diseases today are the ones because of our eating and living habits. There are very few inherited ones

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            So don’t say “immoral” on basis your carl marx who never worked, abused his family and servants, and lived off Engels income who was a plain industrialist not implementing any single idea he was praising so

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            You’re not forced to take student loans… Second it’s fixed rate which is legal according to the Islamic banking rules ( cost plus murabaha). Third in Europe people are able to pay their own university costs without taking loans

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      Have you considered life in sunny Qatar? You’d probably like it. Oh, and debt doesn’t die with the debtor there; it’s passed on to the heirs. It’s an absolutely fantastic system for ensuring that the wealthy always get to stay that way.

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        Both Quran and Bible say the debt needs to be paid back and debt needs to be paid back when heirs want to get it back. However, they can choose if they want or not… If not, the debt is not passed on the heirs. Tell Muslims, Christians and Jewish that their holy books are immoral. Good luck

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          Christians have already de facto decided that parts of the bible aren’t a good basis for laws; otherwise, we wouldn’t have laws allowing someone to declare bankruptcy. As far as I can tell, most countries that are majority Muslim allow for bankruptcy procedures when a person or business is insolvent and will be unable to pay their debts. Israel also has bankruptcy laws that dissolve debts.

          The number of countries where a debtor must pay back every single farthing they owe, regardless of solvency or ability to pay, and the debt passes on to heirs, is vanishingly small.

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            In the Bible the jubilee year lasts 49 years. Still it’s considered immoral in all Abrahamic religions not to pay own debts and you told ‘not paying own debts’ is moral in some cases (like from the rich). Don’t compare things stoning for being gay with not paying debts - the first was only once mentioned, maybe twice in torah, second all over the bible (both old and new testament)

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              Stoning for being gay is mentioned all over the bible…? There’s a mistranslated part in the old testament that says that it’s an ‘abomination’, but textual analysis indicates that it was a condemnation of pederasty–which was common among the Greeks at the time–rather than a condemnation of being gay. Paul def. had a problem with gay people, but that appears to be a revulsion with Roman practices and customs, rather than anything strictly religious. Jesus said nothing about it directly. On the other hand, Jesus DID say that you should gouge your eyes out rather than look at a woman in lust, and yet, evangelicals elected an unrepentant, thrice married, multiple-adulterer as president.

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                Do you understand a meaning of 'hyperbole Bible was written by priests and they were educated people. Besides: give exact quotes with refs before you want me to response to your “watered down monologue”

                Regarding homosexuality ( yes it’s about homosexuality nor pederasty)

                https://www.biblestudytools.com/leviticus/20-13.html