You keep saying PR as if it’s one thing. There’s a whole family of systems that give proportional representation to greater or lesser degrees. STV is one, but seeing as you proposed that for the commons you seem to be ruling it out for the lord’s.
So I was asking which system you’d prefer? I personally dislike anything where the parties get told “you have 100 seats, fill them with whoever you like” commonly known as party lists. It removes the ability for voters to vote a particular person out.
In my opinion, PR is either open or closed list systems. STV falls under alternative voting methods (from my point of view), because it does not proportionally represent. Either way it really doesn’t matter because as my first reply said, that’s not the bit I give the biggest shit about.
Replacement of FPTP is a start, while replacement of our terrible two house system where we have no say over the second house would be better, and replacement of both would be best.
STV for both is fine, I was just suggesting a candidate based system for one house and a party based system for the second to try and counter too much of the “one policy candidates” but not eliminate the ability for people to show what they really care about.
Not that we will get either, so I’m not sure why you are quite so aggressive about it.
Preferred is a very strong word as a summary of my position.
I said that I preferred two different voting methods for the two different levels of chambers, and as such suggested PR for one of them.
I would prefer removal of the Lords and devolution of English powers to regional authorities leaving the renamed Commons to deal with national/international positions and delegating basically everything that would get devolved to Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland to the three Regional Authorities.
You keep saying PR as if it’s one thing. There’s a whole family of systems that give proportional representation to greater or lesser degrees. STV is one, but seeing as you proposed that for the commons you seem to be ruling it out for the lord’s.
So I was asking which system you’d prefer? I personally dislike anything where the parties get told “you have 100 seats, fill them with whoever you like” commonly known as party lists. It removes the ability for voters to vote a particular person out.
You can have local representation with the single-transferable vote and mixed-member proportional systems.
I already said that I honestly don’t care.
In my opinion, PR is either open or closed list systems. STV falls under alternative voting methods (from my point of view), because it does not proportionally represent. Either way it really doesn’t matter because as my first reply said, that’s not the bit I give the biggest shit about.
Replacement of FPTP is a start, while replacement of our terrible two house system where we have no say over the second house would be better, and replacement of both would be best.
STV for both is fine, I was just suggesting a candidate based system for one house and a party based system for the second to try and counter too much of the “one policy candidates” but not eliminate the ability for people to show what they really care about.
Not that we will get either, so I’m not sure why you are quite so aggressive about it.
Party-lists is the most proportional, followed by mixed-member proportional and then single transferable vote.
You’re the first person I have met who preferred party-lists, I suppose the people in my area really like the local representation.
Preferred is a very strong word as a summary of my position.
I said that I preferred two different voting methods for the two different levels of chambers, and as such suggested PR for one of them.
I would prefer removal of the Lords and devolution of English powers to regional authorities leaving the renamed Commons to deal with national/international positions and delegating basically everything that would get devolved to Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland to the three Regional Authorities.