• LUC@lemm.ee
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    what even is their goal? just yet i refuse to believe there is none and that theyre just dumb, because theyre obviously not.

    america first for every price? but would it not be better to trade with us and have us as allies versus china and russia? we would spend our money and work together so its all more efficient.

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      10 hours ago

      It has nothing to do with “America First”, if so then dismantling the entire US superpower hegemony and its alliances would be a contraproductive move.

      This has everything to do with “Russia First”.

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      23 hours ago

      The goal is to turn USA into a puppet state for Russia. Trump is going to try to cancel elections and ultimately Americans will be drafted to fight for Russia. Assuming trump has his way.

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        They don’t need to be drafted for Russia, they’ll just be deployed alongside/on the western front.

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      The voters are stupid, all they see is “america first fuck yeah!” They don’t understand or care about the consequences

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        15 hours ago

        Had a nice long chat with a customer at work about what all she’s growing, how she’s doing it. Talked about cars and what her and my wife drive, how well they worked out. Very pleasant.

        As she was breaking off the conversation she said, “And we’re taking America back! Isn’t that great! We’re taking it back!”

        I had no idea how to reply, strange for me. Taking what back from who and how and what the fuck does that even mean?

        Yes. They’re that dumb and they’ll keep being dumb until the consequences hit them in the face. Personally.

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          In what universe are MAGA less censorious? Have you looked at their subreddit? they LOVE censorship.

          Just because the left tells you to stop being an asshole to minorities that doesn’t mean censorship. It means you should stop being an asshole to minorities.

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            Lemmy is the most censor happy media I’ve ever engaged in. Sure, we can cherry pick subs like /r/conservative, /r/latestagecapitalism, /r/pyongyang, etc., but my overall experience with lemmy has proven quite the echo chamber.

            Look at our (dead) /c/conservative comm. Nothing much crazy there, certainly nothing hateful or bigoted. Blasted into the sun. Hell, there were many articles and posts that deserved thought and comment. Nope. Straight into the sun. Even a brand new post, with no politics in the headline, downvoted at birth. I swear there were people patrolling and downvoting every item they saw.

            But no, lemmy’s too smart to fall for that horseshit! For those that agree, let me point you to an old friend of mine:

            “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

            ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

            That’s the most famous line, but y’all should read the whole book. Short as can be, yet packed with wisdom as to how to fight, and mostly, how avoid fighting and still win.

            Tellingly, the last and most important chapter is “The Use of Spies”. But you guys are too smart to listen to the other side, let alone spy on them. Keep winning?

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              Spending time reading, and arguing, with idiots online is a complete waste of time and energy.

              Why am I doing it at the moment? Laid up with a bad back. Literally can’t do anything else.

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              Your account of censorship densities means very little to me. You are an enemy asset who doesn’t realize that “ya’ll” immediately makes me tune out the bulk of what you said. As in, I’m not even going to skim any more of it.

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            23 hours ago

            elon is maga and on x everyone can post all the stuff they want. i tried it myself by posting far right and far left things, none was deleted, expect hate. on bluesky and reddit they deleted the far left stuff.

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              It’s just history. That’s all we’re seeing. This shit unfolds over and over again, just to a slightly different tune.

              Nah. There probably isn’t a single GOP fascist out there, at least to their own minds. They’re just going with what makes sense, gets them power. Unfortunately we’re at a time where fascism is what gets them power.

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      I strongly disagree. They are actually very dumb and there is no grand strategy at play here. While everyone tries to understand the sense behind the erratic decisions, there really is not much to understand at all. It’s as simple as “we don’t want to spend money on European defense anymore”, so all activities related to that are stopped, without any regard to the consequences.

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        They don’t need to be particularly smart, each to each, in order to both want to and be capable of annexing somewhere.