(including cyber attack, and political and social manipulation) before the invasion were justified?
Completely separate issue. Hating Russia has such consequences. Thinking that war on Russia will make it stop interfering in your politics is silly. And by far the worst offender in foreign interference is US. It is at an absurd level where its evil is dogma, and anti-evil is foreign disinformation.
Categorically, Russia was exercising self defense, and just because the aggressor is the loser does not make it the victim.
There seems to be a pattern with Georgia, Crimea and now Ukraine as a whole.
There is an in between between full alignment with Russia as the only trade partner, and having US select nazis to exterminate the Russian population in those countries and welcome nuclear missile bases. The US colonial alignment on Russia’s borders will get you destroyed as completely deserved, and exactly what US wanted.
Completely separate issue. Hating Russia has such consequences. Thinking that war on Russia will make it stop interfering in your politics is silly. And by far the worst offender in foreign interference is US. It is at an absurd level where its evil is dogma, and anti-evil is foreign disinformation.
Categorically, Russia was exercising self defense, and just because the aggressor is the loser does not make it the victim.
So, what’s the alternative?
Just let Russia have whatever they want?
There seems to be a pattern with Georgia, Crimea and now Ukraine as a whole.
It can’t be, that if I’m not aligned with their political agenda, I’m automatically a legitimate target for war.
There is an in between between full alignment with Russia as the only trade partner, and having US select nazis to exterminate the Russian population in those countries and welcome nuclear missile bases. The US colonial alignment on Russia’s borders will get you destroyed as completely deserved, and exactly what US wanted.
If it would have been only for the said suppression of Russian people in the east of Ukraine, why did they roll for Kiew from the start?
Seems more than fishy to me.
And they bombed, raped and killed their “own” people in the east as well.
So seeing Russia as a savior here, seems to be quite a stretch…
draw defenses there. It was a mistake for them to withdraw when “goodwill of peace deal intentions” were given.
Ukraine (either side really) is not a reliable information source in war.