I agree that conservatives are not necessarily fascists. It’s just that fascists have historically loved spitting into the same cup as conservatives and happily drinking the cup together.
Ok, now I can accept that opinion.
Conservatives have, historically, been more than happy with the censorship
I’m seeing LOTS of Lemmy leaning that way. Just look at this thread. People are saying I’m a conservative so I should be banned. For posting links to news articles from major news orgs. Which if people just blocked c/conservative and c/politicsunifltered, they wouldn’t see anyway. Not to mention that no one is making them click on the links.
I am not pro-fascist. I am pro-speech. I don’t think I should be banned for posting a news article about Trump, from APNews to a c/conservative community.
I think you and I, agree on more stuff than we disagree on. I actually voted Socialist Workers Party, and I created and mod Socialst Workers Party communities, run a mastadon instance for them and their x.com account.
I do agree that lots of people on Lemmy have been inoculated against the fascism disease. So much so that, if something smells like fascist arson, Lemmy immediately grabs the fire extinguisher. Extinguish the fire first. Ask questions later. It seems like this is the price to pay if a community is to defend itself against fascism, if a community is to defend tolerance from fascism, if a community is to protect democracy from fascists. If that is the price to pay, I very much think it’s worth it.
But that doesn’t mean that it’s not frustrating to hear your story, where it sounds as if the anti-fascist fire extinguisher was deployed and released upon you, even though you are explicitly not pro-fascist and even anti-fascist (to the extent that supporting workers is anti-fascism). I can see how this could seem unfair, annoying, or frustrating.
My comments are not perfect, given the inaccuracy I implied before. However, would it be out of place for me to recommend a way of approaching fascist or conservative stories in the future to avoid the fire extinguisher? If not, maybe it’s worthwhile checking out what George Lakoff has to say about conservative and progressive framing. He proposes a way of facing the facts, much in the same way that you seem to think that it is important to understand conservatives, but doing so in a way that doesn’t feed the fascist fire. He proposes a way of understanding reality, with the feet firmly planted on the ground, taking well-placed step after step, without losing sight of the goal: a future where we all contribute to the welfare of everyone.
However, would it be out of place for me to recommend a way of approaching fascist or conservative stories in the future to avoid the fire extinguisher?
Not out of place at all, friend. I appreciate your concern.
But I gotta be upfront, and I don’t want you thinking that I disregard anything that you are saying. Because I DO appreciate you, and in fact, envy your thoughtful nuance and educated responses.
But I don’t take Lemmy that seriously. I just don’t.
Lemmy didn’t change the election. Lemmy didn’t affect the election. Nothing I say or have said affected the election.
We are legit a small community of nerds who argue about shit online.
That’s as far as it goes for me. Yes, I think conservatives should be able to speak here. Yes, I think Lemmy should be more open to diversity of opinions.
But no, I won’t overthink my approach to it. I’ll create a conservative community here and here, and contribute posts to them. From news orgs.
I just freakin’ cut and past link of something I read that’s interesting. That’s it.
I don’t ragebait, because I don’t have any intent to enrage. The fact that people get enraged is on them, not me. I don’t know why people even click on the links if they hate the headlines so much.
And if they DON’T click on the links, then they really shouldn’t get so mad. Just ignore me, move on. I know it’s possible. I ignore lots of people on Lemmy. lol
I do wish there were more people like you on here though. I enjoy your comments, even if I don’t necessarily agree with all the points made.
Friend, you are much smarter and nuanced than I am.
Ok, now I can accept that opinion.
I’m seeing LOTS of Lemmy leaning that way. Just look at this thread. People are saying I’m a conservative so I should be banned. For posting links to news articles from major news orgs. Which if people just blocked c/conservative and c/politicsunifltered, they wouldn’t see anyway. Not to mention that no one is making them click on the links.
I am not pro-fascist. I am pro-speech. I don’t think I should be banned for posting a news article about Trump, from APNews to a c/conservative community.
I think you and I, agree on more stuff than we disagree on. I actually voted Socialist Workers Party, and I created and mod Socialst Workers Party communities, run a mastadon instance for them and their x.com account.
I’m glad we’re on the same page.
I do agree that lots of people on Lemmy have been inoculated against the fascism disease. So much so that, if something smells like fascist arson, Lemmy immediately grabs the fire extinguisher. Extinguish the fire first. Ask questions later. It seems like this is the price to pay if a community is to defend itself against fascism, if a community is to defend tolerance from fascism, if a community is to protect democracy from fascists. If that is the price to pay, I very much think it’s worth it.
But that doesn’t mean that it’s not frustrating to hear your story, where it sounds as if the anti-fascist fire extinguisher was deployed and released upon you, even though you are explicitly not pro-fascist and even anti-fascist (to the extent that supporting workers is anti-fascism). I can see how this could seem unfair, annoying, or frustrating.
My comments are not perfect, given the inaccuracy I implied before. However, would it be out of place for me to recommend a way of approaching fascist or conservative stories in the future to avoid the fire extinguisher? If not, maybe it’s worthwhile checking out what George Lakoff has to say about conservative and progressive framing. He proposes a way of facing the facts, much in the same way that you seem to think that it is important to understand conservatives, but doing so in a way that doesn’t feed the fascist fire. He proposes a way of understanding reality, with the feet firmly planted on the ground, taking well-placed step after step, without losing sight of the goal: a future where we all contribute to the welfare of everyone.
Not out of place at all, friend. I appreciate your concern.
But I gotta be upfront, and I don’t want you thinking that I disregard anything that you are saying. Because I DO appreciate you, and in fact, envy your thoughtful nuance and educated responses.
But I don’t take Lemmy that seriously. I just don’t.
Lemmy didn’t change the election. Lemmy didn’t affect the election. Nothing I say or have said affected the election.
We are legit a small community of nerds who argue about shit online.
That’s as far as it goes for me. Yes, I think conservatives should be able to speak here. Yes, I think Lemmy should be more open to diversity of opinions.
But no, I won’t overthink my approach to it. I’ll create a conservative community here and here, and contribute posts to them. From news orgs.
I just freakin’ cut and past link of something I read that’s interesting. That’s it.
I don’t ragebait, because I don’t have any intent to enrage. The fact that people get enraged is on them, not me. I don’t know why people even click on the links if they hate the headlines so much.
And if they DON’T click on the links, then they really shouldn’t get so mad. Just ignore me, move on. I know it’s possible. I ignore lots of people on Lemmy. lol
I do wish there were more people like you on here though. I enjoy your comments, even if I don’t necessarily agree with all the points made.
Friend, you are much smarter and nuanced than I am.
And I appreciate that about you!