• HalfSalesman@lemm.ee
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    21 hours ago

    Because a welfare state is irrelevant to worker controlled/owned means of production and worker ownership is the defining characteristic of socialism.

    A welfare state is just a welfare state.

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      18 hours ago

      But a welfare state is an indication that the state is owned by the people who work in it therefor worker ownership of means of production.

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        9 hours ago

        But a welfare state is an indication that the state is owned by the people who work in it

        The first modern welfare state was implemented by Bismarck.

        Don’t exactly know that Bismarck is indicative of a worker’s state.

        States often implement good initiatives for a population not because they’re controlled by the population, but because they want to control the discontent of a population.