• lntl@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    Why is NATO helping these guys if they can’t get their shit together?

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      11 months ago

      “These guys” held their own against the supposedly second largest army in the world for quite some time before receiving any significant help, and has now, despite all the headlines, regained quite a bit of their own territory which was lost to the Russian invasion, despite the fact that current military technology clearly favours defense over offense (in a scenario without air superiority).

      They have also severely depleted the Russian military capability and most likely hindered Russia in invading and bullying their other neighbours for a long time. All for the price of some old hardware that was gathering dust anyway as well as a fraction of a bloated US military budget.

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      11 months ago

      Why did the US support the Allies in early WW2 when France was overrun in 6 weeks and allied convoys got wrecked in the Atlantic?

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        11 months ago

        Because the Allies paid the US with money for their arms? If NATO was selling arms to Ukraine, that’d be totally different.

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      11 months ago

      Ask yourself what the alternative is and what a successful outcome for Russia will enable for Putin! Then ask yourself what that means for Europe. Finally ask yourself what upheaval of a European market will do to an American economy and America’s ability to make its influence felt across the world.

      Helping Ukraine is far cheaper.

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        11 months ago

        You can finance this slaughter yourself, thank you very much.

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          11 months ago

          I don’t know which country you think I’m from, but all the countries I have a citizenship in are financing Ukraine plenty.

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          11 months ago

          You can finance this slaughter right now, or you can finance your own slaughter later.

          Your choice.

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            11 months ago

            Indeed, but I would much rather finance the other side…

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      11 months ago

      Because it’s the right thing to do. Because they’re getting invaded by a fascist dictatorship.

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      11 months ago

      It’s not ‘helping’, it’s using generations of Ukrainian men for draining Russian resources and manpower. US provoked this war and they want to prolong it as much as possible because it drains Russia and the EU.

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        11 months ago

        or it couldve been russia being such a shitty neighbor that ukrainians are tired of dealing with them. so ukraine has a revolution and turns westward.

        who could figure out why when the country was being looted by putins puppet. or russia invades its neighbors many times before 2014 and 2022. why wouldnt they want to be another vassal state to russia again?

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          11 months ago

          Would US cheerily let Mexico or Canada join e.g. Warsaw pact or present-day CSTO? I sure as hell believe they would intervene militarily. Look at what happened during the Cubon missile crisis. It puts the westoid rambling about ‘crazy Russia’ in a proper perspective, doesn’t it?

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              11 months ago

              That’s what Russia and Ukraine thought, until US started to interfere. It took them 20+ years to finally ignite the war.

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                  11 months ago

                  Kiev regime is openly nazi by promoting banderism and nazi ideology. They even have nazi insignia (wolfsangel) used for official military units. Not to mention nazi insignia running rampant in all sorts of units and even swastikas and balkenkreuzes on military vehicles and such.