• TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    Well, I think some people would disagree. But, that’s my point. YOU think there are certain human rights that should be enforced, at least for certain people, but in order to do that, you need to be in a position of power to enforce those rights. There are people here in the US where I live that are in positions of power to enforce gun rights, and so gun rights exist.

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      2 hours ago

      Human rights would not be dependent upon a certain technology existing that didn’t exist for the vast majority of the time humans have existed.

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      20 hours ago

      Those people are idiots. Anyone who thinks guns are a human right is just confused because “right to bear arms” also has the word “right” in it.

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      21 hours ago

      I’m not the person you were originally discussing human rights with, but usually people who dedicate their education to ethics are the ones who write up a list of human rights.

      And that list changes as we progress and develop new technologies.

      For example The World Human Rights Commission reaches out to governments worldwide to get all countries as close to protecting humans rights as they can.

      Unfortunately some countries choose to ignore them and continue harming people anyway for whatever reasons they want, if any at all. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t any qualified people in the world to answer that question. There are quite a few people like that working on them as we speak.

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        20 hours ago

        I think it’s great that academics and intellectuals are trying to come up with educated and informed human rights recommendations, but that’s all they are: recommendations. Like you said yourself, their recommendations are often ignored. That’s because there is an inherent power dynamic to human rights. Rights must necessarily be given by the powerful to the less powerful, and only when and if the powerful decide it is in their interests to give them. Many times, it takes prolonged, organized, often violent rebellion to convince the powerful that it is in their interest to grant rights to the people.

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          8 hours ago

          That fair, I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying. Unfortunately that is what it takes to establish human rights in some places.

          I just wanted to share that there are people working very hard to create an ethical framework that can is be implemented if and when a country is ready to adapt it.