All of the excuses I’m seeing in the comments are a load of bullshit that don’t pass even the most basic scrutiny.
Democrats didn’t just look at Harris’ immigration policies, then decide “Not good enough, so I think I’ll vote for the person who wants to deport brown people en masse.”
Democrats didn’t look at Harris and Biden supporting Israel, then decide “I don’t support the genocide in Gaza, so I’m going to vote for the guy promising to genocide harder! That’ll show 'em!”
Democrats didn’t look at the state of the economy and decide to vote for the guy who’s economic policy was literally “They’re eating the dogs! They’re eating the cats! They’re … eating the pets!”, brought on a guy who outright said he was going to inflict even more economic hardship on people intentionally, and threaten even more tariffs while clearly having no idea how tariffs actually work.
Democrats spent months saying the old white guy (Biden) needed to go, without regard for the fact that his opponent was another old white guy. Then, when the old white guy stepped aside, Democrats were like “No, not like that!”. And now they’re saying that they’d have gladly voted for an even older white guy (Sanders). Which means that Democrats might have a problem with age, but they’ll gladly vote for an old white guy over a black woman and would rather allow an old white guy to become a dictator before they’d consider voting for one.
But Democrats (at least the ones on here) did decide that Liz Cheney endorsing Harris was the final straw. They had no problems when numerous prominent members of the GOP were endorsing Trump and saying how dangerous the man is, but Liz Cheney – the woman who literally sacrificed her career to stand up to Trump – was the bridge too far. What was the difference between Liz Cheney and the other GOP members that supported Harris? Cheney was the only prominent woman.
And that is where the real issue is. This country is not ready or willing to vote for a woman, particularly a black woman, as President. There are plenty of people who look back at Obama’s presidency and have said “Never again”, not because he was a bad president, but because he was black. Plenty of people who have since openly come out and proudly wear their misogyny like a badge of honor. Latinos, particularly men largely known for their beliefs that they are dominant over women and their refusal to cooperate with authorities, were never going to vote for a black woman prosecutor. And plenty of closet racists who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman so either opted to vote Trump or stay home, and are now just looking for another excuse to justify it.
If Trump had given something even resembling a coherent economic policy, foreign policies meant to actually end the Mideast conflict instead of exacerbating it, or an immigration policy that went beyond “Just deport all the brown people”, then maybe i’d accept that some people voted Trump based on policy, even if I don’t agree with it. But Trump was actively campaigning on making everything exponentially worse, which is why I firmly believe the rest are just excuses for people who don’t want to admit they just didn’t want to vote for a black woman.
This is such a bad take with literally no evidence to support it. Ignore all the people telling you exactly why they didnt vote for Harris, and simply proclaim confidently that it must be racism and sexism. Now I am in no way denying that those things exist in the US, but theres literally no reason to believe thats why she lost. Biden was polling terribly, and people wanted him out, because of his age and policies, despite his maleness and whiteness. People want bernie because of his policies, despite his oldness. Literally no one has ever said “i didnt vore for kamala because shes a black woman” but you think you can invent this justification for her losing despite all evidence to the contrary, so that the democratic party doesnt have to do an ounce of self reflection or adjust their policy positions at all.
This is such a bad take with literally no evidence to support it. Ignore all the people telling you exactly why they didnt vote for Harris
No, I’m not ignoring them. I’m calling them out for the bullshit excuses they are.
Explain to me how any of it makes sense. Explain how you say you don’t support the Gaza genocide, so therefore will allow the guy who promises to genocide harder and faster to return to power.
Explain to me how you disagree with Harris’ position on immigration, then turn around and allow the guy who’s entire policy is “just deport the brown people” to return to power.
Explain how you’re upset about the state of the economy, so you’ll allow a man who wants to gut social safety nets so he can give more tax cuts to the wealthy, impose tarrifs that will cause prices to skyrocket, and hired a man who proudly proclaims his intentions to impose even more hardship (his own words) on poor people.
Explain what makes Liz Cheney different from literally every other Republican politician – including her own father – that either openly endorsed Harris or at least spoke out against Trump. Hundreds of Republicans. Nobody said a god damned word until Liz Cheney – the one Republican politician, remember, who sacrificed her own career to speak out against him while the rest of them ultimately fell in line and supported Trump, which many continue to do to this day now that he’s about to return to the WH. Suddenly, she was the bridge too far. I wonder what separated her from all of the other guys in the GOP that also endorsed her. Guess we’ll never know…
Explain how the voting base was against an old white guy until he stepped aside and endorsed a black woman. And now they’re saying that they’d have voted for an even older white guy. Funny how age suddenly stopped being an issue.
How many years have people been asking Republicans to grow a spine and stand up to Trump? And the instant that they decided to do so, you take a giant shit on them and sink Harris’ career for associating with them? How the fuck does that make sense? If that’s the way you’re going to treat people who actually reached across the aisle, you can’t be surprised when the rest of them suddenly have very short arms.
And before you say it, no, I’m not a Cheney fan and disagree with her on about 99.9999% of policy issues. But Cheney herself wasn’t up for re-election, nor were her policies on any ballot anywhere. She was basically there in a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” kind of way, trying to tell people to vote for Harris because the alternative was exponentially worse.
Because for all the people who keep downvoting me, not a single one is willing to answer the question of how allowing Trump to return to power was better in any conceivable way. And if you stayed home, that doesn’t absolve you of guilt because you stayed home knowing damn well that it was essentially the same thing.
Youre a fucking idiot apparently because people have explained these things. Firstly i dont think trump is better, but some people refuse to stand by and watch the democrats constantly move right with no consequences. Literally for like 60 years theyve been saying ‘this is the most important election of our lives, vote for the lesser of two evils’. Hunter s thompson wrote about it in fear and loathing on the campaign trail. Like how do you not see the pattern. Until theres an actual viable progressive choice, a lot of people are just fed up with the bullshit. If allowing trump to gain power causes some reform to the democratic party or allows a viable third party alternative to rise then it probably will be worth it. Also i am not american, and probably would have voted for harris but i would have complained about her SHITTY FUCKING POLICIES the whole time. All of you people who were defending her endlessly despite every bad move she made are responsible for trump. Noone was upset that republicans were standing up against trump. They were upset that the democrats tried to become republucans in order to beat him. Also explaining why the vast majority of people who arent on lemmy didnt like harris is not the same as saying you voted for trump or think he would be better. Keep fucking coping and licking kamalas boots though, dont use any critical thinking at all, just keep screaming RACIST at people who arent even listening.
This is a very long rambling strawman. People didn’t vote for Trump because Harris moved to the right. They stayed home because Harris moved to the right.
I know you don’t want to admit that moving to the right has hit a wall, but it has.
I know you’re only saying a woman of color can’t win because you want the party to shut out AOC if she decides to run in 2028.
This is a very long rambling strawman. People didn’t vote for Trump because Harris moved to the right. They stayed home because Harris moved to the right.
And in the process, they allowed the entire country to be dragged kicking and screaming even further right. Good job guys, you played yourselves.
I know you don’t want to admit that moving to the right has hit a wall, but it has.
So the solution to that problem is to stay home and allow the country to be pulled even further right. How’s that working out for you?
I know you’re only saying a woman of color can’t win because you want the party to shut out AOC if she decides to run in 2028.
I’m not even going to dignify this comment with a response.
So the solution to that problem is to stay home and allow the country to be pulled even further right. How’s that working out for you?
I voted for Harris. It’s working out pretty shitty for me, because not only do I get the results of a centrist campaign losing, I also get self-righteous lectures from people like you. Now ignore this entire comment and lecture some more. Make sure to continue to assume I didn’t vote for Harris, since you have no argument otherwise.
I’m not even going to dignify this comment with a response.
Responses from you are incapable of bestowing dignity.
All of the excuses I’m seeing in the comments are a load of bullshit that don’t pass even the most basic scrutiny.
Democrats didn’t just look at Harris’ immigration policies, then decide “Not good enough, so I think I’ll vote for the person who wants to deport brown people en masse.”
Democrats didn’t look at Harris and Biden supporting Israel, then decide “I don’t support the genocide in Gaza, so I’m going to vote for the guy promising to genocide harder! That’ll show 'em!”
Democrats didn’t look at the state of the economy and decide to vote for the guy who’s economic policy was literally “They’re eating the dogs! They’re eating the cats! They’re … eating the pets!”, brought on a guy who outright said he was going to inflict even more economic hardship on people intentionally, and threaten even more tariffs while clearly having no idea how tariffs actually work.
Democrats spent months saying the old white guy (Biden) needed to go, without regard for the fact that his opponent was another old white guy. Then, when the old white guy stepped aside, Democrats were like “No, not like that!”. And now they’re saying that they’d have gladly voted for an even older white guy (Sanders). Which means that Democrats might have a problem with age, but they’ll gladly vote for an old white guy over a black woman and would rather allow an old white guy to become a dictator before they’d consider voting for one.
But Democrats (at least the ones on here) did decide that Liz Cheney endorsing Harris was the final straw. They had no problems when numerous prominent members of the GOP were endorsing Trump and saying how dangerous the man is, but Liz Cheney – the woman who literally sacrificed her career to stand up to Trump – was the bridge too far. What was the difference between Liz Cheney and the other GOP members that supported Harris? Cheney was the only prominent woman.
And that is where the real issue is. This country is not ready or willing to vote for a woman, particularly a black woman, as President. There are plenty of people who look back at Obama’s presidency and have said “Never again”, not because he was a bad president, but because he was black. Plenty of people who have since openly come out and proudly wear their misogyny like a badge of honor. Latinos, particularly men largely known for their beliefs that they are dominant over women and their refusal to cooperate with authorities, were never going to vote for a black woman prosecutor. And plenty of closet racists who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman so either opted to vote Trump or stay home, and are now just looking for another excuse to justify it.
If Trump had given something even resembling a coherent economic policy, foreign policies meant to actually end the Mideast conflict instead of exacerbating it, or an immigration policy that went beyond “Just deport all the brown people”, then maybe i’d accept that some people voted Trump based on policy, even if I don’t agree with it. But Trump was actively campaigning on making everything exponentially worse, which is why I firmly believe the rest are just excuses for people who don’t want to admit they just didn’t want to vote for a black woman.
This is such a bad take with literally no evidence to support it. Ignore all the people telling you exactly why they didnt vote for Harris, and simply proclaim confidently that it must be racism and sexism. Now I am in no way denying that those things exist in the US, but theres literally no reason to believe thats why she lost. Biden was polling terribly, and people wanted him out, because of his age and policies, despite his maleness and whiteness. People want bernie because of his policies, despite his oldness. Literally no one has ever said “i didnt vore for kamala because shes a black woman” but you think you can invent this justification for her losing despite all evidence to the contrary, so that the democratic party doesnt have to do an ounce of self reflection or adjust their policy positions at all.
No, I’m not ignoring them. I’m calling them out for the bullshit excuses they are.
Explain to me how any of it makes sense. Explain how you say you don’t support the Gaza genocide, so therefore will allow the guy who promises to genocide harder and faster to return to power.
Explain to me how you disagree with Harris’ position on immigration, then turn around and allow the guy who’s entire policy is “just deport the brown people” to return to power.
Explain how you’re upset about the state of the economy, so you’ll allow a man who wants to gut social safety nets so he can give more tax cuts to the wealthy, impose tarrifs that will cause prices to skyrocket, and hired a man who proudly proclaims his intentions to impose even more hardship (his own words) on poor people.
Explain what makes Liz Cheney different from literally every other Republican politician – including her own father – that either openly endorsed Harris or at least spoke out against Trump. Hundreds of Republicans. Nobody said a god damned word until Liz Cheney – the one Republican politician, remember, who sacrificed her own career to speak out against him while the rest of them ultimately fell in line and supported Trump, which many continue to do to this day now that he’s about to return to the WH. Suddenly, she was the bridge too far. I wonder what separated her from all of the other guys in the GOP that also endorsed her. Guess we’ll never know…
Explain how the voting base was against an old white guy until he stepped aside and endorsed a black woman. And now they’re saying that they’d have voted for an even older white guy. Funny how age suddenly stopped being an issue.
How many years have people been asking Republicans to grow a spine and stand up to Trump? And the instant that they decided to do so, you take a giant shit on them and sink Harris’ career for associating with them? How the fuck does that make sense? If that’s the way you’re going to treat people who actually reached across the aisle, you can’t be surprised when the rest of them suddenly have very short arms.
And before you say it, no, I’m not a Cheney fan and disagree with her on about 99.9999% of policy issues. But Cheney herself wasn’t up for re-election, nor were her policies on any ballot anywhere. She was basically there in a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” kind of way, trying to tell people to vote for Harris because the alternative was exponentially worse.
Because for all the people who keep downvoting me, not a single one is willing to answer the question of how allowing Trump to return to power was better in any conceivable way. And if you stayed home, that doesn’t absolve you of guilt because you stayed home knowing damn well that it was essentially the same thing.
Youre a fucking idiot apparently because people have explained these things. Firstly i dont think trump is better, but some people refuse to stand by and watch the democrats constantly move right with no consequences. Literally for like 60 years theyve been saying ‘this is the most important election of our lives, vote for the lesser of two evils’. Hunter s thompson wrote about it in fear and loathing on the campaign trail. Like how do you not see the pattern. Until theres an actual viable progressive choice, a lot of people are just fed up with the bullshit. If allowing trump to gain power causes some reform to the democratic party or allows a viable third party alternative to rise then it probably will be worth it. Also i am not american, and probably would have voted for harris but i would have complained about her SHITTY FUCKING POLICIES the whole time. All of you people who were defending her endlessly despite every bad move she made are responsible for trump. Noone was upset that republicans were standing up against trump. They were upset that the democrats tried to become republucans in order to beat him. Also explaining why the vast majority of people who arent on lemmy didnt like harris is not the same as saying you voted for trump or think he would be better. Keep fucking coping and licking kamalas boots though, dont use any critical thinking at all, just keep screaming RACIST at people who arent even listening.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
This is a very long rambling strawman. People didn’t vote for Trump because Harris moved to the right. They stayed home because Harris moved to the right.
I know you don’t want to admit that moving to the right has hit a wall, but it has.
I know you’re only saying a woman of color can’t win because you want the party to shut out AOC if she decides to run in 2028.
And in the process, they allowed the entire country to be dragged kicking and screaming even further right. Good job guys, you played yourselves.
So the solution to that problem is to stay home and allow the country to be pulled even further right. How’s that working out for you?
I’m not even going to dignify this comment with a response.
I voted for Harris. It’s working out pretty shitty for me, because not only do I get the results of a centrist campaign losing, I also get self-righteous lectures from people like you. Now ignore this entire comment and lecture some more. Make sure to continue to assume I didn’t vote for Harris, since you have no argument otherwise.
Responses from you are incapable of bestowing dignity.