I told dbzer0 I wouldn’t disrupt vegan spaces when he gave me an account. with that said, I hope we can continue this cordially. if at any point you want me to stop, please say so.
taste is not an argument for carnism.
frankly, it is. aesthetic pleasure is one of the great reasons for living. surely, it is part of the self actualization of Maslow’s hierarchy.
since carnism is so pervasive in society, we must accept that the pleasures associated with it are commonplace. to deny someone a common aesthetic experience in the name of ending carnism needs to be sold. simply saying “it’s not an argument” is, ironically, not an argument.
your first paragraph seems to imply that I respect rights as a real phenomenon. to be clear, I do not, and so all discourse built up on rights as a premise I also reject.
I don’t quite follow what you’re saying in your second paragraph.
They’re trying to expose you as a hypocrite for wanting things for yourself that you don’t care about others having.
That said, not valuing rights seems a bit inconsistent with Marxism. IIRC it was the socialist states that insisted that the UN Declaration of Human Rights include such things as “education” and “housing” as basic human rights. Of course, every despotic regime in the world has signed up to that, so perhaps they were just being dishonest.
I told dbzer0 I wouldn’t disrupt vegan spaces when he gave me an account. with that said, I hope we can continue this cordially. if at any point you want me to stop, please say so.
frankly, it is. aesthetic pleasure is one of the great reasons for living. surely, it is part of the self actualization of Maslow’s hierarchy.
since carnism is so pervasive in society, we must accept that the pleasures associated with it are commonplace. to deny someone a common aesthetic experience in the name of ending carnism needs to be sold. simply saying “it’s not an argument” is, ironically, not an argument.
I bet those cows wanted some parts of Maslow’s needs as well.
Why is your self-actualisation more important than a cow’s existence?
Taste is not argument for carnism because it isn’t just to compare taste to right to exist.
I don’t personally believe in rights as an external phenomenon. I believe they are a human fiction
So? Humans have the ability intentionally NOT to kill animals for consumption and the ability to make up rights.
The externality vs internality of rights discourse doesn’t externalise your personhood with rights.
your first paragraph seems to imply that I respect rights as a real phenomenon. to be clear, I do not, and so all discourse built up on rights as a premise I also reject.
I don’t quite follow what you’re saying in your second paragraph.
Is this SovCit meeting Stirner? Do I have to say the word?
Following questions:
Do you see yourself as human?
Do you value your life and body integrity? Do you value life and body integrity of other beings, like friends?
Do you avoid experiencing violence?
I find the Socratic method annoying. please just say what you want to say.
They’re trying to expose you as a hypocrite for wanting things for yourself that you don’t care about others having.
That said, not valuing rights seems a bit inconsistent with Marxism. IIRC it was the socialist states that insisted that the UN Declaration of Human Rights include such things as “education” and “housing” as basic human rights. Of course, every despotic regime in the world has signed up to that, so perhaps they were just being dishonest.
I’d rather not assume they are asking in bad faith. who I am has no bearing on the truth of what I’m saying anyway.
I can want equality and freedom without inventing rights.
with all due respect, we have no evidence of a cow’s need for self actualization. we can’t even point to evidence of self awareness.