AZ - 123K+ 7.2%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome.
As odd as it is, you are not cramming 123,000 ballots in there without anybody noticing. It’s just not going to happen. Even spread out, that’s still thousands if not tens of thousands of ballots per district. Somebody would have noticed. Somebody would have said something. Some counties would have vote counts higher than the number of registered voters. There would be a giveaway. You don’t cram 7.2% of Trump’s total vote in a state as big as Arizona and leave no trace. That’s just impossible.
EDIT: People are saying these were digital counts that were manipulated. The argument still stands, though. For that argument to be valid, that would mean that our elections are so insecure that Trump and the brainworm crew were able to hack into voting systems nationwide, en masse, and without anybody noticing. Thousands of people would still have to be involved. There would be a digital trace showing something happened, even if we couldn’t figure out exactly what or by whom. Someone would have made a human error that would stick out like a sore thumb. Digitally or physically, you are not pulling that kind of stunt at that level without anybody noticing, particularly not those lead paint eaters.
If it happened, it was a digital attack. Which means (a) this should have been found and defeated in the first place by even rudimentary network security, and (b) it should have been caught within seconds, not weeks. “Hey, Bob. We’ve got these preliminary totals that are all over the map here, might wanna come take a look at this.” If your poll numbers show that 50,000 people showed up to the polls and sent in early ballots, the number in that system had better be 50,000. If it’s 50,001 or 49,999, you have a problem.
For the numbers to be off to the tune of ten million people nationwide, and it wasn’t caught live and in real time, that is a systemic failure of epic proportions and actively makes the situation worse. Because it means that not only was some group of people allowed to enter our systems with impunity, alter the counts, and escape undetected, but it means that even the most rudiementary checks for accuracy are so bad that they simply may as well not exist, and the “election security” that Democrats have been touting for the past 4 years will also prove to be nonexistent.
Like I said. They knew how many people showed up to the polls. They knew how many people sent in early ballots. Before even looking at a single vote, if the total number of votes cast in the system is not equal to the number of people who physically showed up to the ballot, they need to double check and find out where the error is. If that vote is off by thousands, then counting shouldn’t even begin and several people should be jumping up and down screaming like everybody’s hair was on fire. By about 6 PM or shortly after whatever time that voting closed on the east coast, the entire east coast should be aware that there is something very, very wrong here. Incompetence wouldn’t even begin to describe a level of failure at that scale if it didn’t.
They’ve been replacing election officials with partisan hacks for several years now. Especially in arizona. They are really pissed at the more populated areas that tend to go democrat.
Does it mean the election was stolen. No. Would it be criminally negligent not to investigate this after Republicans told us they were going to do this and put people in place to do this. Yes.
Would it be criminally negligent not to investigate this after Republicans told us they were going to do this and put people in place to do this.
It is not criminally negligent to ignore claims that have no basis in reality. In fact, it would be more criminally negligent to waste taxpayer money to give credibility to these claims by investigating.
Only one of these two sentences can hold true
Our elections are safe and secure, with multiple fali-safes in play to ensure said integrity.
Our elections are so insecure that people can simply drop off thousands or even millions of fake ballots across the country, mix them in with the real ones, and absolutely nobody notices. In multiple states.
Again. Think of what it would take to be able to cram tens of thousands of ballots into the ballot box without a trace in multiple states across the country. Thousands of people would be needed to print, fill out, drop off, mix in, and count these ballots. And not one person has said something? Not one person let the cat out of the bag? Not one county ended up with an anomoly where there were more votes than voters? And it still doesn’t explain the 10 million or so Biden voters who just stayed home.
We lost, and these theories have no basis in reality. If they did, we’d know it by now.
It is not criminally negligent to ignore claims that have no basis in reality.
Here’s your reality basis. With them every accusation is a confession. They’ve been putting partisan election deniers in positions of control in many state and country elections office. Just for this sort of thing.
We lost, and these theories have no basis in reality. If they did, we’d know it by now.
I never said we didn’t. But as I posted the theories are strongly based in reality. General polling shows ignorant young and minority men swung hard for trump. White people in general held to tradition, carrying water for fascism as well. He likely did win. These sort of outliers should be checked however. And no, as long as we rely on states to set procedure and police themselves. No I don’t trust them implicitly. These are the groups that implemented poll taxes and practiced heavy handed disenfranchisement. Chances are this is nothing. But it is worth being sure.
Ok, but ask yourself…even under a best case scenario, what do you expect to realistically accomplish? Trump won, but by slightly less?
Because if you prove anything, that also comes with the side effect of proving that our elections are not secure. You just proved that __________ successfully hacked voting machines across multiple counties in several swing states without being detected. It doesn’t matter who you put in that blank. Trump’s cronies. Russian hackers. North Korean hackers. Chinese hackers. Killer clowns from outer space. All of the above. Doesn’t matter. You’ve just told the entire population of the United States that their vote really doesn’t matter because the election is going to be decided by whatever hacker group is most successful. Good luck trying to get any voter to believe our elections are secure ever again. No matter what happens, the losing side will always just blame “the hackers”. Those lawsuits against Dominion and the other voting machine manufacturers? Yeah, they’re going to be giving that money back, because you just proved that any old hacker group actually could get into them at will and change the outcome of the election. Fox News will gladly take back their 800 million. Good luck getting anyone to believe that either the 2020 or 2024 election was legitimate. Or any other election ever again, for that matter.
Look if you want to gaslight someone. Gaslight someone else. I’ve been paying attention and got receipts.
If someone verbally and physically threatens poll workers. Putting people into offices they have no qualification for. Who’s only goal is to deny a Democrats victory, and there are unusual or suspicious circumstances. If we do not look into it. We don’t deserve a democracy. And yes if he wins by less. He wins by less. But at least we know. This isn’t a baseless wild goose chase like the fascists wanted. If the Democrats were the ones making the threats and taking these actions and a similar discrepancy or unusual anomaly popped up. I would still say we need to look into it. If this isn’t something worth looking into. Something worth understanding. Then what is?
Try telling people “Our elections are secure” while also telling them “Trump supporters changed ballot counts in voting systems across multiple states without detection.”
Pick one. The two cannot exist simultaneously. If you pick the former, your investigation is irrelevant. If you pick the latter, nobody will ever believe our elections are secure again. If you try to pick both, you’re the one gaslighting.
The letter is suggesting that the vote counting machines were compromised, adding fake digital votes to the total after it had counted all of the real physicsl ballot votes. The letter suggests that a hand count of the physical voted would show the manipulation, because the extra digital votes would not show up in the physical ballots.
As odd as it is, you are not cramming 123,000 ballots in there without anybody noticing. It’s just not going to happen. Even spread out, that’s still thousands if not tens of thousands of ballots per district. Somebody would have noticed. Somebody would have said something. Some counties would have vote counts higher than the number of registered voters. There would be a giveaway. You don’t cram 7.2% of Trump’s total vote in a state as big as Arizona and leave no trace. That’s just impossible.
EDIT: People are saying these were digital counts that were manipulated. The argument still stands, though. For that argument to be valid, that would mean that our elections are so insecure that Trump and the brainworm crew were able to hack into voting systems nationwide, en masse, and without anybody noticing. Thousands of people would still have to be involved. There would be a digital trace showing something happened, even if we couldn’t figure out exactly what or by whom. Someone would have made a human error that would stick out like a sore thumb. Digitally or physically, you are not pulling that kind of stunt at that level without anybody noticing, particularly not those lead paint eaters.
This is us noticing.
About 2 weeks to late, for starters.
It takes this long to count stuff and get detailed information
Just kinda how it is with the size of this shit
If it happened, it was a digital attack. Which means (a) this should have been found and defeated in the first place by even rudimentary network security, and (b) it should have been caught within seconds, not weeks. “Hey, Bob. We’ve got these preliminary totals that are all over the map here, might wanna come take a look at this.” If your poll numbers show that 50,000 people showed up to the polls and sent in early ballots, the number in that system had better be 50,000. If it’s 50,001 or 49,999, you have a problem.
For the numbers to be off to the tune of ten million people nationwide, and it wasn’t caught live and in real time, that is a systemic failure of epic proportions and actively makes the situation worse. Because it means that not only was some group of people allowed to enter our systems with impunity, alter the counts, and escape undetected, but it means that even the most rudiementary checks for accuracy are so bad that they simply may as well not exist, and the “election security” that Democrats have been touting for the past 4 years will also prove to be nonexistent.
Like I said. They knew how many people showed up to the polls. They knew how many people sent in early ballots. Before even looking at a single vote, if the total number of votes cast in the system is not equal to the number of people who physically showed up to the ballot, they need to double check and find out where the error is. If that vote is off by thousands, then counting shouldn’t even begin and several people should be jumping up and down screaming like everybody’s hair was on fire. By about 6 PM or shortly after whatever time that voting closed on the east coast, the entire east coast should be aware that there is something very, very wrong here. Incompetence wouldn’t even begin to describe a level of failure at that scale if it didn’t.
It doesn’t have to be Trump himself - could be anyone with an interest in seeing him elected, such as Russia or Elon Musk
They’ve been replacing election officials with partisan hacks for several years now. Especially in arizona. They are really pissed at the more populated areas that tend to go democrat.
Does it mean the election was stolen. No. Would it be criminally negligent not to investigate this after Republicans told us they were going to do this and put people in place to do this. Yes.
It is not criminally negligent to ignore claims that have no basis in reality. In fact, it would be more criminally negligent to waste taxpayer money to give credibility to these claims by investigating.
Only one of these two sentences can hold true
Our elections are safe and secure, with multiple fali-safes in play to ensure said integrity.
Our elections are so insecure that people can simply drop off thousands or even millions of fake ballots across the country, mix them in with the real ones, and absolutely nobody notices. In multiple states.
Again. Think of what it would take to be able to cram tens of thousands of ballots into the ballot box without a trace in multiple states across the country. Thousands of people would be needed to print, fill out, drop off, mix in, and count these ballots. And not one person has said something? Not one person let the cat out of the bag? Not one county ended up with an anomoly where there were more votes than voters? And it still doesn’t explain the 10 million or so Biden voters who just stayed home.
We lost, and these theories have no basis in reality. If they did, we’d know it by now.
Here’s your reality basis. With them every accusation is a confession. They’ve been putting partisan election deniers in positions of control in many state and country elections office. Just for this sort of thing.
I never said we didn’t. But as I posted the theories are strongly based in reality. General polling shows ignorant young and minority men swung hard for trump. White people in general held to tradition, carrying water for fascism as well. He likely did win. These sort of outliers should be checked however. And no, as long as we rely on states to set procedure and police themselves. No I don’t trust them implicitly. These are the groups that implemented poll taxes and practiced heavy handed disenfranchisement. Chances are this is nothing. But it is worth being sure.
Ok, but ask yourself…even under a best case scenario, what do you expect to realistically accomplish? Trump won, but by slightly less?
Because if you prove anything, that also comes with the side effect of proving that our elections are not secure. You just proved that __________ successfully hacked voting machines across multiple counties in several swing states without being detected. It doesn’t matter who you put in that blank. Trump’s cronies. Russian hackers. North Korean hackers. Chinese hackers. Killer clowns from outer space. All of the above. Doesn’t matter. You’ve just told the entire population of the United States that their vote really doesn’t matter because the election is going to be decided by whatever hacker group is most successful. Good luck trying to get any voter to believe our elections are secure ever again. No matter what happens, the losing side will always just blame “the hackers”. Those lawsuits against Dominion and the other voting machine manufacturers? Yeah, they’re going to be giving that money back, because you just proved that any old hacker group actually could get into them at will and change the outcome of the election. Fox News will gladly take back their 800 million. Good luck getting anyone to believe that either the 2020 or 2024 election was legitimate. Or any other election ever again, for that matter.
Look if you want to gaslight someone. Gaslight someone else. I’ve been paying attention and got receipts.
If someone verbally and physically threatens poll workers. Putting people into offices they have no qualification for. Who’s only goal is to deny a Democrats victory, and there are unusual or suspicious circumstances. If we do not look into it. We don’t deserve a democracy. And yes if he wins by less. He wins by less. But at least we know. This isn’t a baseless wild goose chase like the fascists wanted. If the Democrats were the ones making the threats and taking these actions and a similar discrepancy or unusual anomaly popped up. I would still say we need to look into it. If this isn’t something worth looking into. Something worth understanding. Then what is?
I’m not trying to gaslight a thing.
Try telling people “Our elections are secure” while also telling them “Trump supporters changed ballot counts in voting systems across multiple states without detection.”
Pick one. The two cannot exist simultaneously. If you pick the former, your investigation is irrelevant. If you pick the latter, nobody will ever believe our elections are secure again. If you try to pick both, you’re the one gaslighting.
The letter is suggesting that the vote counting machines were compromised, adding fake digital votes to the total after it had counted all of the real physicsl ballot votes. The letter suggests that a hand count of the physical voted would show the manipulation, because the extra digital votes would not show up in the physical ballots.