Since my polymorph meme has only garnered three downvotes so far I thought I’d offer a bit more controversial take, and see if I can manage to stir the pot a bit with this one.

  • wia
    231·
    1 year ago

    Having DMed too much. Nope.

    This is easily a rule as intended type of thing. If you hit someone else. Sure fine, this is actually awesome and very creative and totally in the spirit of the game.

    If you’re just trying to break the game. Nope. RPGs aren’t about trying to pull apart the systems in place for a group of friends to have fun. Not at our table anyway.

    Even the damage dealt thing is silly. Is argue you cant deal damage to something that is fully damaged.

    • Kryomaani@sopuli.xyz
      11·
      1 year ago

      This is easily a rule as intended type of thing.

      Not just that, it’s also rules as written, Vampiric Touch explicitly states:

      The touch of your shadow-wreathed hand can siphon life force from others to heal your wounds.

    • Cereal Nommer@ttrpg.networkOPEnglish
      58·
      1 year ago

      You can’t “hit someone else”* because of the stipulations in contingency. RAI I’m sure they don’t want you sucking the life from your left buttcheek to close up the mortal wound in your gut, but based on what they wrote, I haven’t found a solid contradiction to this plan in the rules-as-written.

      Also you can deal damage to something that is fully damaged. There’s even a specific rule for “Damage at 0 Hit Points.” under the Death Saving Throws section.

      • wia
        121·
        1 year ago

        That still doesn’t address vampiric touches life restoration RAI. Heck even RAW the spell says damage to others.

        This is still a no go lol.

      • Kryomaani@sopuli.xyz
        11·
        1 year ago

        I haven’t found a solid contradiction to this plan in the rules-as-written.

        If you read Vampiric Touch it’s literally in the first sentence:

        The touch of your shadow-wreathed hand can siphon life force from others to heal your wounds.

        • Cereal Nommer@ttrpg.networkOPEnglish
          21·
          1 year ago

          Yeah, that’s not exclusionary, nor does it have any bearing on the two sentences necessary for the meme combo. In any other circumstance everyone would rightfully be calling BS on that kind of cherry-picking.

          If someone were claiming:

          “Well it specifically says favored enemy and you made friends with Bob’s Orc character last session, so you no longer have advantage to track him.”

          or:

          “Cavaliers also learn how to guard those in their charge from harm, […]“ You’re not the boss of this noble you’re escorting so you’re Protection reaction doesn’t work to save him.

          they would be derisively ignored. And rightly so.

          A statement explaining you can use the following ability for this typical use case, does not mean “THIS IS THE ONLY USE FOR THE FOLLOWING ABILITY! THIS USE AND NO OTHER!!“

    • Cereal Nommer@ttrpg.networkOP
      27·
      1 year ago

      *You might actually be able to hit them but the spell at least can’t effect them, so no damage, therefore no healing.