I’m not upset Bernie was criticized - no one should be above a good-faith critique and ideas should be judged on merit as opposed to who says them. The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don’t listen they are going to fail again.
New information shows his internal polling at the time showed he’d lose to Trump’s 407 electoral votes… He still refused to step down for over a month. You are incorrect that he would have won by all metrics that can be known.
I think the biggest issue was actually with messaging. Democrats were still pretty much relying on MSM which almost no young people watch.
I think that beyond what Sanders says what left needs are young people, true populists (as opposed to pseudopopulists ones like MAGA has) with progressive messages.
No, I would say an over reliance on mainstream media certainly hurts them, but their messaging still sucks. Just to go with examples Bernie provided here, how do you think the Democrats message that the economy is doing just great resonates with the 60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, the 25% of elderly people who need to eke out a living on $15,000 a year or less, or the 20 million Americans working for less than $15/hour? It’s a slap in the face to all of them. Messaging is not just getting the message out, but sending the right messages, and the Democrats whiffed hard on that front. They need to do some serious self-reflection and make some drastic changes to both the structure of the party and its platform if they want to do anything more than win the odd election for a single term when the GOP oversteps itself. Pelosi and the old ghouls that support her should all be kicked to the curb.
Like seriously, who do they think they’re fooling? This rhetoric of “the economy is great” doesn’t work on people who are struggling more and more every year through no fault of their own. Nobody but the super rich give a shit about quarterly profits and your definition of recession. The working class has been in “recession” for decades.
This rhetoric of “the economy is great” doesn’t work on people who are struggling more and more every year through no fault of their own.
I’m starting to reject the idea that people should get less help even if it is some fault of their own.
We shouldn’t have a system where if you don’t make every decision perfectly you just deserve what you get and should just suck it up. There should be more ways for people to turn it around, more ways for people to get a mulligan for past (or even recent) bad decisions that helps them get back on their feet or better yet put their feet on a better path.
Making a bad decision (or two, or three) on education or finances or even (to a point) breaking the law at the youngest and least experienced points in your life should not be something that puts you on an uphill climb for decades afterward.
Honestly I think this is huge. I’m nowhere as old as these dinosaurs but even I’m surprised that people get “news” and info from podcasts and such. Mainly because any old jackass could prattle on about whatever without a single lick of knowledge but…
Based on his remarks, I won’t be shocked if he’s working on organizing a whole new political party that’s going to eventually supplant the Democratic Party altogether.
And if that’s what he’s doing, and he pulls it off, it’ll be a good thing, and I’ll probably register a political affiliation other than “no party/unaffiliated” for the first time in about 14 years.
Conservative democrats are republicans. The dems made their tent so big that it has lost all meaning. I dont recall dem politicians ever going to the right of repubilcans in the past. It would have seemed impossible. Biden/Harris normalized it.
Copium and sour grapes help wash it down. I was highly let down but not the least bit surprised by the outcome. I am trying to get people accept that the Dems need reform if we’re going to continue with a two party system.
Unfortunately, the Pelosis and Schumers are going to continue to shove milquetoast and false hope down our throat while continuing to move to the right to try and grab the republican demographic.
Meanwhile, the rest of us just want food, education, housing, and a way to retire before we’re 90.
I’m not upset Bernie was criticized - no one should be above a good-faith critique and ideas should be judged on merit as opposed to who says them. The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don’t listen they are going to fail again.
Pelosi is a piece of shit whose career should have ended in jail for insider trading decades ago.
As a Democrat, even I’m sick of Pelosi’s shit.
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New information shows his internal polling at the time showed he’d lose to Trump’s 407 electoral votes… He still refused to step down for over a month. You are incorrect that he would have won by all metrics that can be known.
Joe Biden absolutely would not have won wtf are you talking about 💀
He would have lost even harder.
They would rather fail than listen.
They would rather fail than
listensacrifice corporate donations… if there are any more elections
Oh there’ll be elections. Just like Russia has elections, and Cuba.
I think the biggest issue was actually with messaging. Democrats were still pretty much relying on MSM which almost no young people watch.
I think that beyond what Sanders says what left needs are young people, true populists (as opposed to pseudopopulists ones like MAGA has) with progressive messages.
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No, I would say an over reliance on mainstream media certainly hurts them, but their messaging still sucks. Just to go with examples Bernie provided here, how do you think the Democrats message that the economy is doing just great resonates with the 60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, the 25% of elderly people who need to eke out a living on $15,000 a year or less, or the 20 million Americans working for less than $15/hour? It’s a slap in the face to all of them. Messaging is not just getting the message out, but sending the right messages, and the Democrats whiffed hard on that front. They need to do some serious self-reflection and make some drastic changes to both the structure of the party and its platform if they want to do anything more than win the odd election for a single term when the GOP oversteps itself. Pelosi and the old ghouls that support her should all be kicked to the curb.
Like seriously, who do they think they’re fooling? This rhetoric of “the economy is great” doesn’t work on people who are struggling more and more every year through no fault of their own. Nobody but the super rich give a shit about quarterly profits and your definition of recession. The working class has been in “recession” for decades.
I’m starting to reject the idea that people should get less help even if it is some fault of their own.
We shouldn’t have a system where if you don’t make every decision perfectly you just deserve what you get and should just suck it up. There should be more ways for people to turn it around, more ways for people to get a mulligan for past (or even recent) bad decisions that helps them get back on their feet or better yet put their feet on a better path.
Making a bad decision (or two, or three) on education or finances or even (to a point) breaking the law at the youngest and least experienced points in your life should not be something that puts you on an uphill climb for decades afterward.
The same rhetoric that the Republicans use to great effect even when they torch the economy…
Honestly I think this is huge. I’m nowhere as old as these dinosaurs but even I’m surprised that people get “news” and info from podcasts and such. Mainly because any old jackass could prattle on about whatever without a single lick of knowledge but…
That appears to be the case though.
Welcome to rural talk radio.
Based on his remarks, I won’t be shocked if he’s working on organizing a whole new political party that’s going to eventually supplant the Democratic Party altogether.
And if that’s what he’s doing, and he pulls it off, it’ll be a good thing, and I’ll probably register a political affiliation other than “no party/unaffiliated” for the first time in about 14 years.
I don’t know how such a thing could ever happen, but I never thought where we are today could happen, so what do I know?
Yep, same.
This was my thought as well.
These Conservative Democrats are so uninspiring that we’d allow Nazi level fascists to take over.
Conservative democrats are republicans. The dems made their tent so big that it has lost all meaning. I dont recall dem politicians ever going to the right of repubilcans in the past. It would have seemed impossible. Biden/Harris normalized it.
If this is the political reality, then it’s the political reality that must be adapted to.
Centrists would rather lose.
I’m getting down voted to fuck elsewhere for pointing this out.
Sorry to hear it. Sometimes the dogpile is real.
Copium and sour grapes help wash it down. I was highly let down but not the least bit surprised by the outcome. I am trying to get people accept that the Dems need reform if we’re going to continue with a two party system.
Unfortunately, the Pelosis and Schumers are going to continue to shove milquetoast and false hope down our throat while continuing to move to the right to try and grab the republican demographic.
Meanwhile, the rest of us just want food, education, housing, and a way to retire before we’re 90.