Context
- List of instances defederating from Threads, the Meta microblogging platform: https://fedipact.veganism.social/
- At the moment, Threads have incomplete federation with Fediverse microblogging instances: https://fediversereport.com/last-week-in-fediverse-ep-86/
- Another meme about Threads: https://feddit.uk/post/18194873
- Threads does not currently federate with link aggregators (Lemmy, Piefed)
- Threads could work with the microblogging part of Mbin
The main arguments for people to defederate are
- “Embrace, extend, and extinguish” strategy: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
- A potential federation with Threads (should Thread decide to implement it) would overwhelm Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed with millions of users (compared to the 40k monthly current active users), transforming those platforms into a threaded version of Facebook
- Defederating preventively costs nothing
LW stance: https://lemmy.world/post/1274909?scrollToComments=true
Its possible to convince me to move to another instance if anybody can recommend one with the following:
Anti-Tankie sentiment/rules/regulation (fuck those fake communists flooding the feed with spam 24/7)
Fairly active community
General use instance, not one with a specific agenda
But otherwise I guess I’d probably just stop using lemmy altogether when threads hits World.
Sopuli.xyz has blocked both lemmygrad and hexbear. You can block lemmy.ml in your user settings, that should set you up.
About the active community, not sure what you mean, as exporting and importing your settings would keep you subscribed to the same communities that your current account, and sopuli is large enough to have the same All feed than LW
“fairly active community” in this context means more than just 100 accounts moderated by 1 guy in a basement with a lot of spiders in it
No offense intended to that man and his 100 users, just doesn’t seem like a very good longterm solution. Much of the internet today is transient and impermanent.
No matter what instance you are on, you are most likely to be subscribed to communities on other instances. For example, when I switched instances due to technical issues I ended up subbing to the same or at least a similar list of communities across instances and blocking the same users after a few weeks.
Problem is I don’t really do that. I just like to browse the all feed, often Top Hour and Top Day as well.
Sopuli.xyz has the same All feed as LW, as they block the same instances, and Sopuli is large enough that people have subscribed to any active community possible
The easy solution is to just go to an instance and browse their All feed and see if it has the content you like. If I understand correctly you are limited to instance communities if you aren’t signed in so that should give you a good idea about the instance culture.
For example, if you visit https://startrek.website/ you will see it is pretty much star trek stuff. If you go to hexbear you will just see their hexbear bullshit. Both will give you an idea of what their instance is all about without needing to register.
Sopuli has 479 monthly users. It is in the top 20 most active instances: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy
Filter by MAU for monthly active users
I’ve been messing around with an automatic troll filter for ponder.cat that auto-blocks the doo doo head accounts regardless of whether the mods are doing their jobs. No Linkerbaan, no UM back when he was around, no MBFC bot. There are around a couple of hundred users that everyone universally dislikes, and with them gone, the place is much nicer.
I’ve found that just avoiding lemmy.world takes care of 90% of the problem, so I haven’t done much with the programmatic solution, but if you want to browse the bad communities without the bad people I can probably hook you up.
On this count I fail. It’s two guys, no spiders, sometimes a cat, and a pretty uncertain future.
He’s still around, he showed up in my All feed the other day, on lemm.ee now IIRC
He’s got an account on sh.itjust.works, too.
I’m not sure what’s the moderation philosophy that’s welcoming him to these instances. It’s possible that because he hasn’t caused a problem yet on the new accounts, there’s no harm done, but I would be saddened and surprised if the more up-to-speed places were as lenient with him as LW was.
Moving to Lemmy.world from Lemmy.today was actually a solution that decreased the tankie activity I saw, interestingly enough.
Yeah, just doing away with LW in all my subscriptions made so much of the stupidity go away. I’m still on [email protected], but just as of the last day or two, it’s been showing some kind of federation problem, so I think I will let it go as well.
The niche communities with responsible moderators on LW are still great. The stuff that flows out of that big planned-economy org chart has some kind of rot going on with it that you don’t even realize the extent of, until you remove it from your Lemmy.
pick two.
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PieFed.social, Mbin, or use one of Sync or Connect that can actually block tankie users (edit: to be clear I mean users from known tankie instances, so that you don’t have to identify and block people slowly one by one) - Lemmy’s “block” doesn’t block hardly anything at all, as you still see them, they can downvote you, generate notifications, etc. Read more here.
You may also want to block certain news and political communities in favor of better ones that are not so filled with toxicity and misinformation regardless of whether the content comes from certain instances.
I have been blocking people on Jerboa (which as far as I guess is just normal Lemmy blocking) and I don’t get notifications or see people I’ve blocked.
Correct: user blocking is quite strong. Community blocking similarly does exactly as you would want - i.e. those posts no longer show up not only in your Subscribed feed, but the All one as well.
However, instance blocking does not block the vast majority of content from the instance - i.e. it’s nowhere close to either a personal defederation (as people begged for and were told to wait for Lemmy version 0.19 for it to be added - in contrast, most instances now are on 0.19.5 and 0.19.6 is being tested on a few) - nor is it even as strong as user blocking.
Plus it has been actively weakened over time, i.e. somewhere between 0.19.3 and 0.19.5 users from that instance can now trigger a Notification to you by replying. I note that this is what almost made me quit Lemmy altogether, when I replied to a comment in a post in [email protected], and then did similarly somewhere in lemmygrad.ml. Each time those replies kept coming for literally WEEKS and WEEKS, long after I had stopped responding to them - and each time from a new person, at which point how do I stop them all!? They spam-bombed me, not for writing a post, but replying to a comment that I encountered by browsing All. And not from a hexbear.net account - i.e. where I could expect to have read through their quite special rules, but on Lemmy proper that have rules like “remember the human” - unless the person’s account is on hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml I suppose, which is why Lemmy.world has defederated from them. However, my much smaller instance (StarTrek.website) had not, and unlike the desktop the mobile site lacks the description of the community rules (PieFed does this, as well as instance “labels”, and tags, and community categories and so much more, and I think that’s amazing! It really helps clarify any potential misunderstandings, e.g. if you reply to a post on beehaw then you should make extra certain to not be a dick, or you should expect your content to be removed, and possibly be banned as a result - i.e. if you refuse to control yourself then they will do it for you, to give their own users the experience that they desire in their community on their instance as they see fit).
One more thing: some apps - I’ve heard that Connect and Sync do at least - provide their own form of instance blocking, separately from merely turning on the Lemmy poorly-named feature.
Sorry for the rant, maybe some of it was interesting.:-)
TLDR: you are correct, and if only the instance blocking would work in the same manner that would have been wonderful! Sadly, it does not.
You never mentioned instance blocking. Yeah, it’s not a Lemmy thing and because of that it’s a little wonky. Various front ends handle it differently.
It might be worth editing it into your comment for clarity. When you say “block tankies” it isn’t immediately clear you mean blocking an instance because “tankies” can exist anywhere and “non-tankies” can exist on “tankie instances”.
(I’m not trying to be a pedantic jerk, either. Sorry if it sounds like that. If it does sound like that then it’s just the stress from the US election getting to me. 💜)
Also, I’d like to specifically mention that I’m sorry you got harassed. That sucks. 💜
Thank you - upvoted and edited as suggested.
I’m not sure what you mean by harassed. If you mean the downvotes, I had to look at the comment from another instance to even see them - my instance defederates from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so downvotes from those sources don’t show up (interestingly, on my instance, I see none at all - i.e. all of the downvoters are from known tankie instances 🤣).
I want downvotes from people who’s opinion I actually would respect - like if you felt it necessary to add them (which I can tell you didn’t, bc I see none despite being able to talk to you:-) - but yeah, I don’t need it from children (of whatever physical age) who refuse to see how being unkind to people is not the sole strategy that anyone could use in a conversation.
But if you mean you, then nah you good.:-) First, we all in the same boat there, and second, you explained it well.:-)