Context

The main arguments for people to defederate are

  • “Embrace, extend, and extinguish” strategy: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
  • A potential federation with Threads (should Thread decide to implement it) would overwhelm Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed with millions of users (compared to the 40k monthly current active users), transforming those platforms into a threaded version of Facebook
  • Defederating preventively costs nothing

LW stance: https://lemmy.world/post/1274909?scrollToComments=true

  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    “fairly active community” in this context means more than just 100 accounts moderated by 1 guy in a basement with a lot of spiders in it

    No offense intended to that man and his 100 users, just doesn’t seem like a very good longterm solution. Much of the internet today is transient and impermanent.

    • snooggums@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      No matter what instance you are on, you are most likely to be subscribed to communities on other instances. For example, when I switched instances due to technical issues I ended up subbing to the same or at least a similar list of communities across instances and blocking the same users after a few weeks.

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        2 months ago

        Problem is I don’t really do that. I just like to browse the all feed, often Top Hour and Top Day as well.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOP
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          2 months ago

          Sopuli.xyz has the same All feed as LW, as they block the same instances, and Sopuli is large enough that people have subscribed to any active community possible

        • snooggums@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          The easy solution is to just go to an instance and browse their All feed and see if it has the content you like. If I understand correctly you are limited to instance communities if you aren’t signed in so that should give you a good idea about the instance culture.

          For example, if you visit https://startrek.website/ you will see it is pretty much star trek stuff. If you go to hexbear you will just see their hexbear bullshit. Both will give you an idea of what their instance is all about without needing to register.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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      2 months ago

      Anti-Tankie sentiment/rules/regulation (fuck those fake communists flooding the feed with spam 24/7)

      I’ve been messing around with an automatic troll filter for ponder.cat that auto-blocks the doo doo head accounts regardless of whether the mods are doing their jobs. No Linkerbaan, no UM back when he was around, no MBFC bot. There are around a couple of hundred users that everyone universally dislikes, and with them gone, the place is much nicer.

      I’ve found that just avoiding lemmy.world takes care of 90% of the problem, so I haven’t done much with the programmatic solution, but if you want to browse the bad communities without the bad people I can probably hook you up.

      Fairly active community

      On this count I fail. It’s two guys, no spiders, sometimes a cat, and a pretty uncertain future.

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        2 months ago

        Moving to Lemmy.world from Lemmy.today was actually a solution that decreased the tankie activity I saw, interestingly enough.

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          2 months ago

          Yeah, just doing away with LW in all my subscriptions made so much of the stupidity go away. I’m still on [email protected], but just as of the last day or two, it’s been showing some kind of federation problem, so I think I will let it go as well.

          The niche communities with responsible moderators on LW are still great. The stuff that flows out of that big planned-economy org chart has some kind of rot going on with it that you don’t even realize the extent of, until you remove it from your Lemmy.

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          2 months ago

          He’s got an account on sh.itjust.works, too.

          I’m not sure what’s the moderation philosophy that’s welcoming him to these instances. It’s possible that because he hasn’t caused a problem yet on the new accounts, there’s no harm done, but I would be saddened and surprised if the more up-to-speed places were as lenient with him as LW was.