Muhammad Hassam Ali, 17, was killed by stranger after a four-minute conversation in city centre

Summary

A 15-year-old boy was sentenced to life in prison for fatally stabbing a stranger, Muhammad Hassam Ali, after a brief conversation in Birmingham city center. The second boy, who stood by, was sentenced to five years in secure accommodation. Ali’s family expressed their grief, describing him as a budding engineer whose life was tragically cut short.

    • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
      132·
      2 months ago

      Is there any data showing that this is more effective for reducing future violent crime?

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          93·
          2 months ago

          I mean for other people. Of course we can reduce crime if everyone is imprisoned.

          • 5in1k@lemm.eeEnglish
            515·
            2 months ago

            Murderers =/= everyone. What a dumbass argument you’re making.

            • 5gruel@lemmy.worldEnglish
              8·
              2 months ago

              How could you even infer that this was the point they were making? So far off the mark.

              • 5in1k@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                They literally said putting a murderer away for life is like locking everyone up.

      • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.worldEnglish
        310·
        2 months ago

        How does your question take into account the victim’s family at all? You may not like it but one of the pillars of justice is seeking a fair and just punishment for the victim and their loved ones. You may not care about the murder victim’s family so somebody has to.

        You can’t act like a crime is all about the perpetrator and their needs.

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          102·
          2 months ago

          How does the punishment help the family of the victim?

            • ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish
              18·
              2 months ago

              No, it’s for safety.

              These kids targeted poor Ali as they thought he’d ‘jumped one of their mates’ the week before, if they were allowed out and about, they’d likely kill more of the family in their own revenge scheme.

          • CaptPretentious@lemmy.worldEnglish
            48·
            2 months ago

            Well what he did was permanent. So unless you can figure out a way to undo it, I think the punishment should fit the crime. Putting him back out on the streets doesn’t help the family either so it’s kind of a moot point.