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KEY TAKEAWAYS
- Swedish Minister wants to deport migrants who do not hold Swedish citizenship if they show support to terrorist groups.
- The spokesperson for migration policy in Sweden wants the law to be even more stringent - to include anyone who shows such acts of support.
- Tourists, citizens, and residence permit holders can all be affected by such changes.
Absolutely not. Countries should not accept people who are incompatible with their culture. That just causes division.
That assumes a country has a single culture.
So we should tolerate say, nazi culture everywhere?
The paradox of tolerance is a thing.
You’re conflating a political ideology with a culture.
You clearly haven’t read about pre-ww2 Germany, they were trying to enforce their vision of what they thought German culture should be.
They had ideals, organizations for children, they pushed music, arts, literature they felt glorified their German ideal and the expectations in service of the state.
Yeah, all of that, that was the party program of the NSDAP, a political party.
To change the German culture, to the nazi party’s ideal vision of a culture
Yes, and changing the culture of a country is a political program.
Here is the difference: babies are not born into a political program, they are born into a culture. You don’t grow up into a political program, you grow up into a culture.
Political programs are typically rooted in some culture and sometimes, a political program can become a culture, but a culture is not in itself intimately linked with a political program. In the same culture you can have multiple competing political programs in fact.
No it doesn’t. It assumes that countries have synergistic cultures.
I don’t know what that means. European countries have multiple cultures in them.
That said, your catchphrase is typically used to imply that Islam is incompatible with Europe. But there exist several countries in geographical Europe with Islam as an established religion. Greece has an official Muslim minority. Bosnia, Albania can be classified as plurality-muslim countries. European Turkey, west of the Bosphorus has more people than many European countries. And there are sizeable non-immigrant Muslim communities all over eastern and southeastern Europe. Islam has been part of the European story for a millennium. So I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Islam is as European as apple pie is American.
My “catchphrase” is something I personally said, not someone else’s rhetoric. I would ask that you do not make assumptions about what I am saying based on what other people say. If the people who are Islam have a culture that is compatible with that country, let them in. If they are of a culture that practices or supports sharia law and your country believes in women’s freedoms, they probably should not be accepted.
This law was passed due to Turkey wanting to get rid of pkk supporters in Sweden. They basically said we’re are going to keep blocking you from joining NATO unless you take care of the kurds in your country.
Nationalist rhetoric detected.
I’m not saying one culture is better than another. I’m saying if the cultures are incompatible, you shouldn’t force them together.
In other words, if you are a household that is obsessed with a particular football team, you probably shouldn’t get a roommate that is obsessed with your team’s rivals. Any time football is brought up, you will be at odds. I’m not saying liking one football team over the other is the correct choice, just that incompatible beliefs breeds hostility.
“Your culture is incompatible with our culture and therefore you shouldn’t live here” is exactly the same rhetoric neonazi politicians use where I’m from, so sorry but your comment has a beeping red light on it for me.
If a neo Nazi said “the sky is blue”, would you say everyone who says the sky is blue is repeating neo Nazi rhetoric?
This would mean that a country that has changing governments would be a hostile and incompatible society? A country shouldn’t host different political views if you follow that logic.
Ideally different parties should have more in common than what separates them. Otherwise you get what has been happening between Republicans and Democrats in the USA. Willingly introducing that separation is foolishness.
Most countries aren’t nationalist homogenous etnostates and human society is a result of mixing cultures.