The movie didn’t sexually harass anyone, Francis Ford Coppola did.
(To be clear, I agree with you, and while the movie sounds like garbage no one should watch, and it looks like at least some in the production team were complicit enablers, my point is that there is no need for the general statement, when there is a specific perpetrator to name)
It is Francis Ford Coppola’s film, when I take delight in the failure of the movie it is because of how it impacts its creator (not because I’m trying to shift blame away from him onto his film).
The film is also garbage, but more importantly several critics have noted the film is sexist, like Maureen Lee Lenker’s review which mentioned “troubling gender roles and gross sexual dynamics at play”. Is it that surprising the film made by the man sexually assaulting people on set is also itself sexist?
I agree that it’s worth specifically calling out Francis Ford Coppala and to put the blame where it belongs, and this is why I linked to the article about his specific misdeeds. At first I assumed most people knew about this already, which was maybe a bad assumption. I didn’t even link my message at first thinking it was too obvious.
Yeah I can see where you were coming from, definitely wasn’t trying to criticise you or anything, just think it’s always good to shame and name these abusers, they’ve earned it.
Why is art, even if not to your tastes, incorrect? Commercial viability is not the measure of quality. Even if it’s an incoherent mess, it adds. Why a lust for the failure of others? Did Francis re-neg on a promise he made to you personally?
Nope didn’t read. Admittedly, thought it was just the movie wiki and didn’t go that far. I made comment about the movie not the director. In the context of the article and allegations against Coppola, I am not defending gross and entitled behaviors. Another example of how complicated it is to consider or enjoy the art of transgressors.
Not going to digest an entire article for a link with no context, which on its face doesn’t suggest the actions of an individual. Why would I pick out that aspect? Why am I the defender against allegations of bad behavior? That’s ridiculous.
Edit: when I first responded there was no direct link to the allegations section, it was just the wiki for the movie. A link without context saying “fuck this”. But hey, people apparently know the intentions of strangers from a single hot take, what a skill. Enjoy your echo chamber.
At first I had no link, but I quickly edited to add the link, however I only ever linked directly to the “allegations of misconduct” section of the wikipedia article. You might be remembering incorrectly?
EDIT: I don’t know if there is a way to view edit history in Lemmy to clarify, because of course it’s possible I’m remembering incorrectly - but what I do remember is that when I edited to add the link, I linked directly to that section.
good, fuck that movie
The movie didn’t sexually harass anyone, Francis Ford Coppola did.
(To be clear, I agree with you, and while the movie sounds like garbage no one should watch, and it looks like at least some in the production team were complicit enablers, my point is that there is no need for the general statement, when there is a specific perpetrator to name)
It is Francis Ford Coppola’s film, when I take delight in the failure of the movie it is because of how it impacts its creator (not because I’m trying to shift blame away from him onto his film).
The film is also garbage, but more importantly several critics have noted the film is sexist, like Maureen Lee Lenker’s review which mentioned “troubling gender roles and gross sexual dynamics at play”. Is it that surprising the film made by the man sexually assaulting people on set is also itself sexist?
I agree that it’s worth specifically calling out Francis Ford Coppala and to put the blame where it belongs, and this is why I linked to the article about his specific misdeeds. At first I assumed most people knew about this already, which was maybe a bad assumption. I didn’t even link my message at first thinking it was too obvious.
Yeah I can see where you were coming from, definitely wasn’t trying to criticise you or anything, just think it’s always good to shame and name these abusers, they’ve earned it.
100% agreed and a good call-out, thank you
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Broken link.
Works on my machine.
Here is the intended link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolis_(film)#Allegations_of_misconduct
Ewww. What the fuck did I just read?
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Why is art, even if not to your tastes, incorrect? Commercial viability is not the measure of quality. Even if it’s an incoherent mess, it adds. Why a lust for the failure of others? Did Francis re-neg on a promise he made to you personally?
Did you actually read the link they posted? If so, why are you so quick to jump to the defence of a sexual predator? 🤔
Nope didn’t read. Admittedly, thought it was just the movie wiki and didn’t go that far. I made comment about the movie not the director. In the context of the article and allegations against Coppola, I am not defending gross and entitled behaviors. Another example of how complicated it is to consider or enjoy the art of transgressors.
Should probably read things before chiming in. At least, if they’re pivotal to the conversation.
Not going to digest an entire article for a link with no context, which on its face doesn’t suggest the actions of an individual. Why would I pick out that aspect? Why am I the defender against allegations of bad behavior? That’s ridiculous.
Edit: when I first responded there was no direct link to the allegations section, it was just the wiki for the movie. A link without context saying “fuck this”. But hey, people apparently know the intentions of strangers from a single hot take, what a skill. Enjoy your echo chamber.
At first I had no link, but I quickly edited to add the link, however I only ever linked directly to the “allegations of misconduct” section of the wikipedia article. You might be remembering incorrectly?
EDIT: I don’t know if there is a way to view edit history in Lemmy to clarify, because of course it’s possible I’m remembering incorrectly - but what I do remember is that when I edited to add the link, I linked directly to that section.