U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres arrived at the BRICS summit in the Russian city of Kazan on Oct. 22, despite criticism from Ukraine, Voice of America reported.
The BRICS group, a bloc of countries that includes Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates, is convening in Kazan for a three-day summit from Oct. 22-24. According to Moscow, 36 world leaders are participating in the conference.
Guterres is expected to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the event on Oct. 24, according to Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov.
Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry criticized the U.N. secretary general’s visit.
I mean, I get it, it’s shit. However, don’t forget Ukraine (Zelensky) is siding with Israel and find it (apparently) okay that they’re murdering thousands of innocent Palestinians. Genocide.
Both Russia and Israel are murdering innocent people.
Let’s not forget the current war in Israel started when Hamas terrorists (and Gazan civilians) actually murdered 1200 Israeli civilians. In the most barbaric way possible. And then took 250 more people hostage. Last time I checked, Ukrainian terrorists did not invade Russia and butcher civilians and take more prisoner. Israel and Russia are not analogous in the slightest.
Let’s not forget the current war in Israel started when Hamas terrorists (and Gazan civilians) actually murdered 1200 Israeli civilians. In the most barbaric way possible. And then took 250 more people hostage. Last time I checked, Ukrainian terrorists did not invade Russia and butcher civilians and take more prisoner. Israel and Russia are not analogous in the slightest.
The attack that Hamas did is horrifying and should not have happened. Indeed. However, it did NOT start on 7th of October. The entire situation was already incredibly horrifying, bad and seriously unhealthy for Palestinians within Israel and in Gaza.
In the most barbaric way possible
Was it barbaric? Yes, certainly. But most barbaric, no. Considering what Israeli government has done to Palestinians from 1948 to 2024 (ongoing).
Here are some articles;
- The Israeli army’s use of Palestinian civilians as human shields has been documented on a large scale
- Israel’s human shields: Its own people
- This is how Israel uses its own people as human shields
- Israeli troops killed hostages, mistaking their cries for help as ambush -military
- 3 hostages killed by Israeli soldier in Gaza were waving a white flag, Israel says
- How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza
- Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center.
- Israeli forces’ systemic denial of fair trial rights to Palestinian child prisoners amounts to arbitrary detention
- Israel’s PM Netanyahu ‘proud’ of preventing establishment of a Palestinian state
- Far-right minister says nuking Gaza an option, PM suspends him from cabinet meetings
- Israel Defense Minister Calls Palestinians ‘Human Animals’ Amid Israeli Aggression
- Israeli politician: Palestinian prisoners should be allowed to be raped
- Born Without Civil Rights; Israel’s Use of Draconian Military Orders to Repress Palestinians in the West Bank
- Video appears to show IDF soldiers sexually abusing Palestinian detainee
And two images of massacres Israel has done. Because you see, Israel has done so many horrifying and bad things, I’m unable to post it all here;
Israel and Russia are not analogous in the slightest.
My whole point is; both are bad and shit. Both should be held accountable. Yet Zelensky praising Israel for so called ‘‘defending themselves’’ while, Israel is basically doing the same thing as Russia. Stealing land. He finds it entirely okay for Israel to murder thousands of Palestinian people but when it happens to his country, that’s not good all of a sudden.
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Let’s not forget the current war in Israel started when Hamas terrorists (and Gazan civilians) actually murdered 1200 Israeli civilians.
Do you have an trustable source (EVIDENCE) that Gaza civillians were doing that? Because that’s a immensely high accusation to make without any evidence. Spreading that without evidence is dangerous and makes me wonder whether you have malicious intent or not.
EDIT 2: Checking your profile, you seem to be a Israel-supporter. The craziest comment I found was this one; you claiming Israel is not purposefully targetting civillians. This proves your bias. All evidence speaks against you.
The conflicts are not even remotely the same, and you’re doing Putin’s work by spreading the nonsense trying to conflate the 2.
Edit: besides that, the UN secretary should be there. BRICS might turn into a major power block, it’s his job to stay informed.
The conflicts are not even remotely the same, and you’re doing Putin’s work by spreading the nonsense trying to conflate the 2.
Innocent people are being murdered. That’s what matters. So it is not nonsense but if that’s what you want to believe, that’s fine. Russia wanting to take over Ukraine land, Israel wanting to take over Palestinian land. The difference is that Israel is doing genocide with much more brutality.
Edit: besides that, the UN secretary should be there. BRICS might turn into a major power block, it’s his job to stay informed.
Considering everything that’s happening and the UN can’t do much about it…?
Well innocents die in every war. In the Russia Ukraine war it is clear who is the bad guy. In the middle east it’s not as cut and dry unfortunately. What Israel is doing exceeds any proportionality, but it’s not as if there is no 2 warring sides of bad guys there that have civilians caught in the middle.
The UN is not a “do anything about it” it is a diplomatic forum.
Well innocents die in every war.
Does not take away that it is immensely horrifying for every innocent person. For all three (even four); All innocent Palestinians, Israeli’s, Ukrainians and Russians who do not want to go to war. Most just want to live their lives peacefully.
In the Russia Ukraine war it is clear who is the bad guy.
And so it is with the Israel-Palestine war. No offense but have you read the history? 1948-2024. Hamas only exists because of Israel’s action from 1948 to 1987. It is clear who started it and it is clear who are the bad guys. In this case, Israel started it, Israel are the main bad guys and then Hamas. There’s a whole argument regard Hamas being The Resistance but that’s for another time.
The UN is not a “do anything about it” it is a diplomatic forum.
My point is, the UN is quite much a joke at this point. They cannot do anything while Israel has violated every international law. Diplomatic or not, they haven’t done much and I do not expect much from the UN anymore.
EDIT: Had to do some edits because formatting went bad.
The UN is not to do anything. The UN exists solely as a forum where countries always have a place for dialogue, no matter how high the temperature. It also gives a voice to all countries in conversations. It is an attempt to avoid nuclear war, not a world government. It has no power other than a voice through which countries can speak who agree with one another. If countries want to band together and do something they can, but the UN cannot. It can only give credence to actions taken by Member countries if enough other countries support it…
The UN exists solely as a forum where countries always have a place for dialogue, no matter how high the temperature.
Not entirely true. The UN is here and can do;
- The UN is there to keep Peace and Security which it is failing.
- Pass binding resolutions, which it is failing.
- The UN has authority to impose international sanctions which it has not really done against Israel
- Refer cases to the International Criminal Court, has happened (I think?) but nothing happened after that. So IE; means nothing.
I find it quite ironic that you only pin-point the comment about, the UN. But left out everything else about Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Palestine.
To continue on your comment, on another Lemmy-user;
Yeah, we disagree on the whole illegal occupation part when it comes to Israel proper.
It has been said by the UN that it is indeed illegal occupation
- Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, tantamount to ‘settler-colonialism’: UN expert.
- International law obliges Israel to end occupation.
- Top UN court says Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal
- UN votes against Israel’s occupation of Palestine: Will it change anything?
- Article 3 even has a video about it.
And this in turn leads to disagreement about a lot of the other aspects.
Disagreement or not - UN has said it is an illegal occupation and that Israel should end it. Not only that, stealing land, murdering thousands of people, rape, illegal settlements and most of their political statements (such as; ‘‘nuke Gaza’’ and ‘‘Palestinians are animals’’). All indicate and prove this statement.
This just shows your bias regarding Israel as a whole.
Everything in life has to do with priorities and where you put them and when it comes to the founding of Israel we disagree.
Incredible that you mentioned the founding of Israel! Because;
- David Ben-Gurion.
- Yitzhak Shamir.
- Manchem Begin.
David Ben Gurion, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Haganah. Sanctioned the bombing of SS Patria (French-built ocean liner) and murdered more than 270 people. Gurion become Israel’s first Prime Minster.
Yitzhak Shamir, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Stern Gang and sanctioned the assassination of a British official and a UN official. He became a Prime Minister of Israel too.
Manchem Begin, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Irgun and sanctioned the bombing of hotel King David Hotel and murdered 91 people. He too became a Prime Minister of Israel.
Wiki:
- Patria Disaster, just alt+F and search Davids name.
- Davids Wikipage.
- The Assassination of Count Bernadotte, which also goes in depth about Yitzak’s role.
- Yitzaks wikipage.
- Manchem wikipage which also goes in depth about his role on the King David Hotel bombing.
Do you actually know the history of Israel state?
EDIT: Another article - Creation of Israel, 1948
Saying there is two warring sides and its not as clear cut is kind of ignoring the whole “illegal occupation, annexation and ethnic cleansing.”
Imagine Russia hadnt invaded again after annexing Crimea and in 2030 Ukraine started to fight to get it back. Would that make it “not cut and dry” because the rest of the world ignored and normalized around the annexation? Ukraine has a right to kick out Russian occupation from every last squaremeter of occupied territory… Palestinians have a right to kick out Israeli occupation from every last squaremeter of occupied territory.
Yeah, we disagree on the whole illegal occupation part when it comes to Israel proper. And this in turn leads to disagreement about a lot of the other aspects.
Everything in life has to do with priorities and where you put them and when it comes to the founding of Israel we disagree.
Gaza is illegaly occupied. The Westbank is illegally occupied and partly annexed. East Jerusalem is illegally occupied and partly annexed.
The people have a right to resist against that. And if the source of the occupation is in “Israel proper” then it is legitimate to attack military targets there too. Or would you say that Ukraone fighting in Kurst Oblast is to be condenmmed too?
There is many similarities between Ukraine and Palestine, except in the way Western leaders and Media talk about it and which side they support.
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