• alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    2 hours ago

    This kinda thing can’t be reduced to a single number, how do you compare the US, where trans people often can’t afford HRT in the best states, and are literally unable to get it in Florida, to Iran, where it’s free, but surgery is mandatory and being gay is punishable by death?

    A place where hatecrimes aren’t uncommon, but there is some level of legal protection, to a place with far fewer hatecrimes/discrimination, but no special legal protections?

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      Yeah, but also you can see some countries scoring lower due to trans rights where queer couples have equivalent rights to het. No “map” is going to take all the nuance. But your point is valid. Reducing to a number obscures things and it’s worth little in terms of reliable, actionable info.

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      … Iran, where it’s free, but surgery is mandatory and being gay is punishable by death?

      It’s free because it’s the “sentence” for being gay. Get an operation or be executed.

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      2 hours ago

      Very few subjects can be represented by one graph and still give you the whole story. You could say this about almost anything posted here. I think it’s useful and interesting enough to be here.

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    I was confused by Greece for a second as I put it in a religious conservative corner without thinking. But then I remembered Greek history.

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      3 hours ago

      The source for this data is Equaldex. According to their data on Sweden, for example, the following things are rated negatively:

      • non-binary genders aren‘t legally recognized
      • intersex infant surgery is not banned
      • donating blood is not always possible for homosexual men
      • conversion therapy is not banned

      They might also take their public opinion section into account for the country‘s overall score, but I haven‘t looked into that more thoroughly.

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        Idk why but SK is very problematic regarding civil rights in general from a Democratic point of measurement. Japan is considered petty conservative but they are progressive compared to SK.

        I however doubt that China is better than SK as they outright ban LGBT characters in media and even mentioning trans people is a problem.

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          The South Korean government has to balance a lot of interests: The powerful Kleptocracy (Samsung etc.), the military, domestic nationalism (and the people), the US, and all while constantly animositing with their neighbor to the north. I got that from a Chinese political-cartoonist pundit who later got cancelled for good reason though, so take that with a grain of sulphates.

          In China, LGBT+ stuff is mostly just censored in state-aired mass media. Anything else, like the most popular manga on the most popular platforms, semifrequently include such stuff, to the point where there are dedicated genre names for at least both. Admittedly, those genre names are borrowed from Japan, but Chinese internet and youth culture in general is fused with East Asian culture (ACG), which was popularized by Japan. That also brings up the question on whether the culture is also fused in Korea. Now, I have no experience with actual South Korean culture, but my anecdotal impression is that the Koreans I meet are less receptive to ACG. From what I can see from a quick skim-through of the relevant Wikipedia article, the LGBT+ are legally more recognized but culturally more persecuted in South Korea.

          You can easily search for such genres and obtain such works online (piracy is quite rampant in China). However, many teachers often still ban them in schools like the US deep south due to personal bigortry (but they also ban cards in school soooo). Those teachers are a microcosm of the government’s current direction, which has already closed down LGBT+ establishments and started instituting the aforementioned censorship years ago.