I don’t really think most people form their beliefs based on what is logically true; they get their cues from the group who makes them feel a sense of community.
Deviation from this accepted morality carries the risk of being ostracized, and acts as a control mechanism to keep people in line.
The real issue, in my opinion, is that people are getting their moral cues from an amoral media who wants to enrage them for profit and then the reactionaries carry that back to their communities to feed it into their echo chambers.
Therefore, I don’t really think facts will change people’s politics; that will not happen until their reactionary community either is no longer useful to them or they find something more worthwhile outside of it. I respectfully reject that there is a fundamentally different strategy for “true believers” and “the fooled;” I’d say both populations are mostly the same (except for the politicians, who know exactly what the game is).
No, facts absolutely can change people’s minds, from my anecdotal experience anyway. They simply have to be handled with a great deal of care, you can’t speak down to people, you have to ask careful questions and respectfully approach even their false opinions.
Taking an almost Socratic method, in a way, where you’re spending more time listening than hosing them down with evidence.
It’s not easy, I wouldn’t say most people can readily do it without training or at least carefully considering their strategic approach. It does not come naturally, and traditional schooling or debate will not prepare you for it, and can even be counterproductive. There is a real risk of doing more harm than good. But deprogramming is absolutely a feasible goal to work towards. Just takes patience.
I do think that those types of conversations are useful, but only to someone who is doxastically prepared to change due to the aforementioned community reasons.
I think we’re mostly in agreement though and we’re just using different terms, so thanks for sharing your perspective. If you’re interested, I read a great book a while ago called How Minds Change that digs into it a bit more.
I don’t really think most people form their beliefs based on what is logically true; they get their cues from the group who makes them feel a sense of community.
Deviation from this accepted morality carries the risk of being ostracized, and acts as a control mechanism to keep people in line.
The real issue, in my opinion, is that people are getting their moral cues from an amoral media who wants to enrage them for profit and then the reactionaries carry that back to their communities to feed it into their echo chambers.
Therefore, I don’t really think facts will change people’s politics; that will not happen until their reactionary community either is no longer useful to them or they find something more worthwhile outside of it. I respectfully reject that there is a fundamentally different strategy for “true believers” and “the fooled;” I’d say both populations are mostly the same (except for the politicians, who know exactly what the game is).
No, facts absolutely can change people’s minds, from my anecdotal experience anyway. They simply have to be handled with a great deal of care, you can’t speak down to people, you have to ask careful questions and respectfully approach even their false opinions.
Taking an almost Socratic method, in a way, where you’re spending more time listening than hosing them down with evidence.
It’s not easy, I wouldn’t say most people can readily do it without training or at least carefully considering their strategic approach. It does not come naturally, and traditional schooling or debate will not prepare you for it, and can even be counterproductive. There is a real risk of doing more harm than good. But deprogramming is absolutely a feasible goal to work towards. Just takes patience.
I do think that those types of conversations are useful, but only to someone who is doxastically prepared to change due to the aforementioned community reasons.
I think we’re mostly in agreement though and we’re just using different terms, so thanks for sharing your perspective. If you’re interested, I read a great book a while ago called How Minds Change that digs into it a bit more.
Yeah that’s a valid point. Thanks for the link, I’m unfamiliar with that book.