• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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    3 hours ago

    That’s a modern take that doesn’t really hold up to any scrutiny since there was conservatism before capitalism.

    It’s a convenient rallying cry of people who prefer socialism as they understand it, but the direct comparison doesn’t hold any historical water.

    mega fits into capitalism and socialist. I think they’re such broad concepts, but definitely not the instigating concepts of fascism are conservatism.

    I remember that book, it’s older right? I read it in college or high school at some point.

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      Conservativism isn’t the same as fascism. Reactionary movements have existed in every form of Class Society, when Capitalism overtook Feudalism it was the holdover Monarchist movements. It isn’t a “convenient rallying cry,” but an analysis of reactionary vs progressive social movements driven by class interests.

      mega fits into capitalism and socialist

      I have no idea what this means. Why do you think MAGA is Socialist?

      I remember that book, it’s older right? I read it in college or high school at some point.

      Written in the 90s, you should revisit it.

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        “Reactionary movements have existed in every form of Class Society, when Capitalism overtook Feudalism it was the holdover Monarchist movements.”

        and before class society!

        "an analysis of reactionary vs progressive social movements driven by class interests. "

        blaming capitalism for literally everything, especially in a meme, is simple aggressive fomenting.

        superficial demonization encourages a riot, not a movement, although it’s easy to confuse the two when your blood is pumping and everyone around you is screaming the same facile slogan.

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          and before class society!

          What “reactionary” movements existed in tribal societies devoid of distinct classes?

          blaming capitalism for literally everything, especially in a meme, is simple aggressive fomenting.

          I blame Capitalism for Capitalism’s issues, not literally everything.

          superficial demonization encourages a riot, not a movement, although it’s easy to confuse the two when your blood is pumping and everyone around you is screaming the same facile slogan.

          I have no idea what point you’re actually making.

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            24 minutes ago

            “What “reactionary” movements existed in tribal societies devoid of distinct classes?”

            tribal societies specifically?

            exactly how far are you narrowing societies you want examples of reactionary movements in down to?

            like you want a specific century and a specific type of society? instead of just any non-capitalist society?

            how are you defining capitalism?

            are you ignoring the contemporary Amish and other people who oppose change out of principle for no capitalist reason?

            "I blame Capitalism for Capitalism’s issues, not literally everything. "

            you’re lumping conservative human behavior that exists independent of capitalism with actual examples of direct capitalist problems like mortgage crises.

            your brush is too broad.

            "I have no idea what point you’re actually making. "

            yelling “socialism is the best and capitalism causes all the problems” at the people yelling “capitalism is the best and socialism causes all the problems” isn’t exactly dignifying your stance with a sense of legitimacy.

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              tribal societies specifically?

              Yes, after tribal societies came the first class-based societies. You said reactionary movements predate class society, tell me.

              how are you defining capitalism?

              An economic mode of production centered around commodity production through competing Capitalists in markets who employ wage-labor, seeking greater and greater accumulation. This process is only a few hundred years old.

              are you ignoring the contemporary Amish and other people who oppose change out of principle for no capitalist reason?

              The Amish participate in Capitalism. Culture is a reflection of the Mode of Production.

              you’re lumping conservative human behavior that exists independent of capitalism with actual examples of direct capitalist problems like mortgage crises.

              I am speaking of class interests.

              yelling “socialism is the best and capitalism causes all the problems” at the people yelling “capitalism is the best and socialism causes all the problems” isn’t exactly dignifying your stance with a sense of legitimacy.

              Where are you seeing this?