• And I was pointing out that sometimes unless you meet a certain threshold of progress, the effect of doing nothing and doing “baby steps” is essentially the exact same result.

    Again missing the point, that “baby steps” can lead to bigger steps. You have to learn to walk before you can run, and you have to learn to crawl before you can walk.

    It’s been 112 years since universal healthcare was first part of a presidential platform,

    And it was again in 2012, or just a mere 12 years ago.

    this election it’s not an option from either of the only two viable options.

    If they were 18 to vote then, they’d be 130 years old now. Do you think Teddy Roosevelt supporters are still alive and waiting patiently?

    The oldest person ever known only lived to 122, so, no.

    But also no, because,

    Did “baby steps” get them universal healthcare?

    I mean, maybe not universal, but maybe some of them got healthcare in the end? It’s plausible one or two lived to 116 and then benefitted from the ACA.

    I’d argue that a big reason why it’s not covered today - the ACA is really good. It works really well and even the GOP has given up on (saying that they will) overturn it. It’s still not universal because the Supreme Court let States ignore the donut hole, so some folks who can’t afford even the ACA premiums still make too much for Medicare/Medicaid (otherwise, we’d have universal healthcare already, albeit on a Netherlands like private system instead of a Canada like single payer system).

    In other words, baby steps have almost gotten us fully there.