Jill Stein has NO path to victory. She would require a 50%+1 majority in at least 270 EV worth of states. She doesn’t even have 10% of the vote share in any state. Thus a vote for her is only marginally better than a vote for Trump, and about as effective as staying home on Election Day.
This particular poster’s shiny object, Rechele Fruit, has even LESS of a chance. This candidate would require 50%+1 in three states, plus a successful write-in campaign for 50%+1 in another nine states (has that EVER happened in a SINGLE state) to get 87 EVs, a far cry from the 270 she needs to be elected. A vote for her is a fart in the wind. She doesn’t even make the polling.
One of two people will take the Oath of Office in 2025. If you don’t want Donald Trump and Project 2025 shoved up our privates, vote Harris. If you don’t want Harris, for whatever reason, may you suffer the consequences of Project 2025 particularly harshly, though I doubt many of the shi…err, posters who post here bashing Harris and the Dems will have to suffer the consequences of their claimed votes.
Every vote for Trump is BOTH a lost vote for Harris, AND a vote for Trump. If there are 100 people voting for Trump and Harris as neighbourhood VIP, and 80 of them pledge themselves for Harris and 20 for Trump, it’s not a big deal if 50 of the 80 Harris voters decide on Election Day that they’d rather be doing something else than voting, Harris wins 30 to 20, and we’re all good. We could even lose 1 or 2 of these votes to Third Party candidates like Stein, and it’d not matter, But if 29 of the 80 voters say “fuck that woman, Imma vote for Trump”, then suddenly we need all 51 remaining voters to stay on deck, because if three of them decide to stay home or vote third party, we’re fucked. If only ONE of them decides to join the Trumpers, it’s game over – 50/50 tie, and the game is rigged for the Trumpers to get him elected VIP if that happens.
That is what I meant by marginally better. That Stein voter could have betrayed everything they claim to stand for and become a Trump voter, after all!
In a perfect world, where the president was chosen by the popular vote, yes, you’d be right. Going by pure mathematics, everything you said is true.
Unfortunately we have the electoral college, and in key places, the margins are so thin that only a handful of voters being swayed to vote for Stein can make all the difference. We saw this in 2016, where the popular vote went to Hillary but she lost, and the margins in key areas was less than what Stein won in those areas.
This is why she’s being pushed so hard. It has worked before.
I get that people are disillusioned by the clusterfuck that FPTP voting has created, which is why I’ve been pushing so hard for people to fight that, rather than protest-voting, which is objectively worse.
Oh, I’m 100% with you on this! It comes down to this because we have such a bitterly divided country (and frankly world – 8 years ago, I was begging to move to Canada, now, not so much), and it’s real easy to convince people in swing-states to make frankly absofuckinglutely stupid decisions and vote Third Party.
I was just saying it can be worse. That Stein voter could just cut to the chase and vote Trump to ‘burn it all down’…like many said they were going to do in 2016.
Heh, indeed. In the end, we have a fight on our hands. If this election were to be decided like it should be, 70 to 30 AGAINST the convicted felon, if not more, then our resident Satanist could be ignored without a second thought. But it’s like 50.1 vs. 49.9 in the closest races, the ones that will decide the election in the EC, with the Shitgibbon just a HAIRS width behind Harris, and we’ve got all the same shitheads that we PROVED in 2016 were in the tank for Russia and Trump, pushing the exact same bullshit that the Dems are the evilest evil since the beginning of Evil and you should totally vote for the Greenie or somebody else or just fucking stay home, and it fucking worked in 2016 and was pretty damn close to working in 2020. And they’re using and abusing all forms of social media to keep shovelling their bullshit.
Just 28 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 36…35…34 HEHEHE seconds until this shit is over. Here’s hoping it ends with the good outcome and not Trump for 4 more years!
Maybe sit this one out, champ, and stop trying to persuade others to follow your anti-democratic example.
Me saying who I am voting for, isn’t “trying to persuade others.”
I have always said, and will continue to say, people should vote for who they want to. Yes, I encourage everyone to vote for and vote for who they want to, and not allow themselves to be bullied into making a decision they are not comfortable with.
You constantly making posts and comments pushing for, again, a clear Russian plant whose entire purpose is to prop up a candidate who has already committed treason twice and who has openly admitted he will end democracy is not benign. Your contributions have, so far, not contributed to healthy discourse, but have been pretty obviously made with the intention to promote division.
If that’s who you are, just own it. If it’s not, take a step back and examine your motives.
And – this one is crucial – how to productively redirect your efforts, if you’re in fact sincere: FairVote Action, an actual grass-roots org working to get rid of the FPTP system to make democracy actually fair.
If you take nothing else from my comments, at least look at that last link. Your energy would be far better served there than what you’re doing now. Be the change you want to see.
And I’m not pushing her as a candidate, and I’m definitely not telling people who to vote for. I trust the American public to make their own decisions based on what they believe, for whatever reasons matter to them.
I don’t write the articles; I just post links to them. It’s up to each person to decide if they want to click and read or ignore it entirely.
Be the change you want to see.
Oh I am being the change i wanna see. I want to see diversity of political thought without bullying. Thank you!
Emphasis on this point.
Jill Stein has NO path to victory. She would require a 50%+1 majority in at least 270 EV worth of states. She doesn’t even have 10% of the vote share in any state. Thus a vote for her is only marginally better than a vote for Trump, and about as effective as staying home on Election Day.
This particular poster’s shiny object, Rechele Fruit, has even LESS of a chance. This candidate would require 50%+1 in three states, plus a successful write-in campaign for 50%+1 in another nine states (has that EVER happened in a SINGLE state) to get 87 EVs, a far cry from the 270 she needs to be elected. A vote for her is a fart in the wind. She doesn’t even make the polling.
One of two people will take the Oath of Office in 2025. If you don’t want Donald Trump and Project 2025 shoved up our privates, vote Harris. If you don’t want Harris, for whatever reason, may you suffer the consequences of Project 2025 particularly harshly, though I doubt many of the shi…err, posters who post here bashing Harris and the Dems will have to suffer the consequences of their claimed votes.
I mostly agree, with one correction:
It isn’t. A vote for her IS a vote for trump, because FPTP voting means a (fake) non-right candidate can only siphon votes from the left.
Here’s a great video that shows why, mathematically, she can only help trump win, and explains why a lot of Stein’s money comes from Republican (and Russian) interests. She’s not grass-roots, and she’s not left-leaning. Saying she’s a Russian asset is not hyperbole.
She’s not marginally better than trump – she’s actively anti-democratic.
e: my autocorrect really hates me today.
I will give this a tiny bit of leyway.
Every vote for Trump is BOTH a lost vote for Harris, AND a vote for Trump. If there are 100 people voting for Trump and Harris as neighbourhood VIP, and 80 of them pledge themselves for Harris and 20 for Trump, it’s not a big deal if 50 of the 80 Harris voters decide on Election Day that they’d rather be doing something else than voting, Harris wins 30 to 20, and we’re all good. We could even lose 1 or 2 of these votes to Third Party candidates like Stein, and it’d not matter, But if 29 of the 80 voters say “fuck that woman, Imma vote for Trump”, then suddenly we need all 51 remaining voters to stay on deck, because if three of them decide to stay home or vote third party, we’re fucked. If only ONE of them decides to join the Trumpers, it’s game over – 50/50 tie, and the game is rigged for the Trumpers to get him elected VIP if that happens.
That is what I meant by marginally better. That Stein voter could have betrayed everything they claim to stand for and become a Trump voter, after all!
In a perfect world, where the president was chosen by the popular vote, yes, you’d be right. Going by pure mathematics, everything you said is true.
Unfortunately we have the electoral college, and in key places, the margins are so thin that only a handful of voters being swayed to vote for Stein can make all the difference. We saw this in 2016, where the popular vote went to Hillary but she lost, and the margins in key areas was less than what Stein won in those areas.
This is why she’s being pushed so hard. It has worked before.
I get that people are disillusioned by the clusterfuck that FPTP voting has created, which is why I’ve been pushing so hard for people to fight that, rather than protest-voting, which is objectively worse.
Oh, I’m 100% with you on this! It comes down to this because we have such a bitterly divided country (and frankly world – 8 years ago, I was begging to move to Canada, now, not so much), and it’s real easy to convince people in swing-states to make frankly absofuckinglutely stupid decisions and vote Third Party.
I was just saying it can be worse. That Stein voter could just cut to the chase and vote Trump to ‘burn it all down’…like many said they were going to do in 2016.
True. I just think that’s a distinction without a difference.
Heh, indeed. In the end, we have a fight on our hands. If this election were to be decided like it should be, 70 to 30 AGAINST the convicted felon, if not more, then our resident Satanist could be ignored without a second thought. But it’s like 50.1 vs. 49.9 in the closest races, the ones that will decide the election in the EC, with the Shitgibbon just a HAIRS width behind Harris, and we’ve got all the same shitheads that we PROVED in 2016 were in the tank for Russia and Trump, pushing the exact same bullshit that the Dems are the evilest evil since the beginning of Evil and you should totally vote for the Greenie or somebody else or just fucking stay home, and it fucking worked in 2016 and was pretty damn close to working in 2020. And they’re using and abusing all forms of social media to keep shovelling their bullshit.
Just 28 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 36…35…34 HEHEHE seconds until this shit is over. Here’s hoping it ends with the good outcome and not Trump for 4 more years!
Meh, I’m not voting for Stein. Or Harris. Or Trump. So I’m not worried. But thanks for the shoutout for “Rachele” Fruit!
So you have no dog in this fight. Maybe sit this one out, champ, and stop trying to persuade others to follow your anti-democratic example.
For the rest of us, please vote! And bring friends with you! Every vote matters. We need all hands on deck.
Me saying who I am voting for, isn’t “trying to persuade others.”
I have always said, and will continue to say, people should vote for who they want to. Yes, I encourage everyone to vote for and vote for who they want to, and not allow themselves to be bullied into making a decision they are not comfortable with.
So nah, not sitting this one out. Thank you!
You constantly making posts and comments pushing for, again, a clear Russian plant whose entire purpose is to prop up a candidate who has already committed treason twice and who has openly admitted he will end democracy is not benign. Your contributions have, so far, not contributed to healthy discourse, but have been pretty obviously made with the intention to promote division.
If that’s who you are, just own it. If it’s not, take a step back and examine your motives.
Here are some sources for you:
Russians launched pro-Jill Stein social media blitz to help Trump win election, reports say
FPTP Voting
And – this one is crucial – how to productively redirect your efforts, if you’re in fact sincere: FairVote Action, an actual grass-roots org working to get rid of the FPTP system to make democracy actually fair.
If you take nothing else from my comments, at least look at that last link. Your energy would be far better served there than what you’re doing now. Be the change you want to see.
I’m not voting for Jill Stein, though.
And I’m not pushing her as a candidate, and I’m definitely not telling people who to vote for. I trust the American public to make their own decisions based on what they believe, for whatever reasons matter to them.
I don’t write the articles; I just post links to them. It’s up to each person to decide if they want to click and read or ignore it entirely.
Oh I am being the change i wanna see. I want to see diversity of political thought without bullying. Thank you!
What country do you live in?
Oh I am being the change I wanna see. I want to see diversity of political thought without bullying.
What county do I live in? I’m here in the US. Where do you think I am?! lol
Friend, I’ve been voting since before you were born. I’ve been voting since 1988.
lol. Friend, I’m older than you. Stop assuming things about people.
You said you’re not voting. Why are you relentlessly pushing Stein? Be honest.
Ah, but the result of your vote will be the same.