I’m currently reading Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend and these quotes are both referenced there as well. So satisfying to see the malding of Hitler and Goebbels once they realize they are absolutely fucked.
Interestingly, the British intelligence was way off too when it came to intelligence about the capabilities of the Soviets. Clearly nothing has changed as it sounds like today
The aristocratic arrogance of British intelligence has always been its downfall, when paired against the bourgeois lawyers of the Napoleonic empire they at least could give as good as they got, but since then it’s been blunder after blunder with only the explosive strength of anglo capital saving them from total collapse
When Stalin offered to provide the ground force for an invasion of Nazi Germany, if the UK would give air support - pre Molotov-Ribbentrop pact - the reason the UK refused is supposedly because their assessment of Soviet military and industry was that they would be steamrolled by the Germans in such an action. Which to be clear isn’t true, given that the Soviet military was designed for offensive warfare (one of the reasons they didn’t perform very well at the start of Barbarossa) and the Nazi’s military was far weaker at this point, when they were still in the process of rearmament, compared to what it would eventually come to be.
Incredible book and should be essential reading. It’s not a biography, as I heard it described a few years ago, but an unrelentingly thorough historical analysis of Joseph Stalin, his role in the USSR, and the various criticisms of him that have entered common discourse to the point where people who don’t know anything about history know that “Hitler and Stalin” are history’s greatest monsters. Losurdo looks at how this came to be and deconstructs anti-communist narratives using sources that even the most ardent anti-communist can’t deny are valid (capitalist historians, Stalin’s enemies, etc). It’s an incredible piece of scholarship that, by the end, demonstrates just how deeply our understanding of historical events and figures have been shaped by the specific ideology of capitalist power
I’ll try to remember that, comrade! But @[email protected] really sums it up nicely so far!
The general format so far has been to present an anti-Stalin trope as true, then do a surgical, thorough take-down of that trope. The initial example, which I hope I don’t spoil, is Khrushchev presenting to (I believe) the Communist party members behind closed doors. He presents a massive diatribe against Stalin and the “cult of personality” he claims surrounded Stalin and how it was completely unwarranted and Stalin was an ineffective military leader, political leader, etc. Then the author has been going essentially passage by passage refuting this “take-down” and highlighting Stalin’s profound leadership.
Really opening up my eyes to Stalin as a leader and his views of the Communist project
Would love to hear if he critiques him, too - like his role in mass deportations of ethnic minorities, political suppression, and the cult of personality.
The mass deportations were distinctly un-Marxist. I would say it’s the only valid criticism I’ve ever seen. Ironically, it’s not what libs obsess about. They’re always mad that he aggressively suppressed antisemitic right-wingers.
The deportations weren’t all the same and I think there was a better case for the deportation of Germans from Poland, etc. even if it was still in error.
By contrast, I think Stalin’s virulent homophobia and staunch opposition to any appeals for tolerance along Marxist lines is one of the most clear-cut cases of him being personally flat-out wrong.
That’s fair, coming from a Marxist. I’m not interested in hearing it from a liberal that doesn’t have any understanding of why all kinds of prejudices thrive under capitalism.
I’m currently reading Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend and these quotes are both referenced there as well. So satisfying to see the malding of Hitler and Goebbels once they realize they are absolutely fucked.
Interestingly, the British intelligence was way off too when it came to intelligence about the capabilities of the Soviets. Clearly nothing has changed as it sounds like today
The aristocratic arrogance of British intelligence has always been its downfall, when paired against the bourgeois lawyers of the Napoleonic empire they at least could give as good as they got, but since then it’s been blunder after blunder with only the explosive strength of anglo capital saving them from total collapse
ok maybe one important thing happened :(
Crazy how Nicholas Maduro said that
there’s also a Kurdish military commander that looks exactly like Stalin
It’s him, he’s back. Save us uncle Joey!
When Stalin offered to provide the ground force for an invasion of Nazi Germany, if the UK would give air support - pre Molotov-Ribbentrop pact - the reason the UK refused is supposedly because their assessment of Soviet military and industry was that they would be steamrolled by the Germans in such an action. Which to be clear isn’t true, given that the Soviet military was designed for offensive warfare (one of the reasons they didn’t perform very well at the start of Barbarossa) and the Nazi’s military was far weaker at this point, when they were still in the process of rearmament, compared to what it would eventually come to be.
Also the Soviets had just trounced Japan at Khalkhin Gol. Even Churchill was frequently calling the British mindset stupid and outright lies.
Please tag me in a short review of the book when you’re finished if you want, I’m interested in that book
Incredible book and should be essential reading. It’s not a biography, as I heard it described a few years ago, but an unrelentingly thorough historical analysis of Joseph Stalin, his role in the USSR, and the various criticisms of him that have entered common discourse to the point where people who don’t know anything about history know that “Hitler and Stalin” are history’s greatest monsters. Losurdo looks at how this came to be and deconstructs anti-communist narratives using sources that even the most ardent anti-communist can’t deny are valid (capitalist historians, Stalin’s enemies, etc). It’s an incredible piece of scholarship that, by the end, demonstrates just how deeply our understanding of historical events and figures have been shaped by the specific ideology of capitalist power
I’ll try to remember that, comrade! But @[email protected] really sums it up nicely so far!
The general format so far has been to present an anti-Stalin trope as true, then do a surgical, thorough take-down of that trope. The initial example, which I hope I don’t spoil, is Khrushchev presenting to (I believe) the Communist party members behind closed doors. He presents a massive diatribe against Stalin and the “cult of personality” he claims surrounded Stalin and how it was completely unwarranted and Stalin was an ineffective military leader, political leader, etc. Then the author has been going essentially passage by passage refuting this “take-down” and highlighting Stalin’s profound leadership.
Really opening up my eyes to Stalin as a leader and his views of the Communist project
Would love to hear if he critiques him, too - like his role in mass deportations of ethnic minorities, political suppression, and the cult of personality.
The mass deportations were distinctly un-Marxist. I would say it’s the only valid criticism I’ve ever seen. Ironically, it’s not what libs obsess about. They’re always mad that he aggressively suppressed antisemitic right-wingers.
The deportations weren’t all the same and I think there was a better case for the deportation of Germans from Poland, etc. even if it was still in error.
By contrast, I think Stalin’s virulent homophobia and staunch opposition to any appeals for tolerance along Marxist lines is one of the most clear-cut cases of him being personally flat-out wrong.
That’s fair, coming from a Marxist. I’m not interested in hearing it from a liberal that doesn’t have any understanding of why all kinds of prejudices thrive under capitalism.
Stalin would’ve produced the meanest jazz album if he lived until the 70s
Any choice quotes to share?