Critics say the US rushed to evacuate its citizens in Israel last year. For Lebanon, the response has been much slower.

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    At first I really wanted to say “good, now they are treated the same as the Lebanese people living alongside them” but no, that definitely isn’t “good” by any real measure of this word. I hope this whole tragedy will stop soon.

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      It won’t stop until either Israel is disarmed or there is a complete change of people in charge of Israel and criminals like Netanyahu, his entire government and IDF commanders are sent to prison.

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        29 days ago

        That latter option won’t cause much change. Israel is, as a state and as a people, ideologically poisoned. They need something on the level of the denazification of Germany before you can hope for any change.

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          I am not disagreeing with you but you need to start somewhere. Sending Netanyahu, his government and senior IDF officers to prison for war crimes would send shock waves and could be a trigger of wider changes.

          Ideally, I would like to see Northern Ireland power sharing solution in Palestine/Israel where each office is shared equally between Israelis and Palestinians. That however in my view can only follow after justice for the victims is achieved first and the perpetrators are in prison.

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            Honestly, I don’t think justice for Palestinians is likely. As I see it, peace is inevitable but moderately far at the pace we’re going, but justice would require a perceived violation of Israel’s integrity that Palestinians will never have the bargaining power to demand. It’d be throwing a wrench into a peace process that will likely be reluctant and fragile already. Justice would be nice to have as an addon, but Palestinians will likely choose to take the fastest route towards human rights, which will be a two-state solution where Palestinians make some concessions but gain a state with real sovereignty. If something drastically changes justice might become possible, but in my thinking it’ll be Palestinians, not Israelis, making concessions to make peace possible a la the Oslo Accords.

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        Disarming Israel will make the war stop just like how disarming Ukraine would make that war stop as well.

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            No, I meant Ukraine. If Russia was disarmed, Ukraine and probably every other nation as well would just leave them alone. If Israel was disarmed, its enemies would murder every single jew in there.

            That’s why comparison to Ukraine is more accurate.

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              No, you definitely meant Russia. Aggressive fascist state invading their neighbours and murdering civilians, just like Israel.

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                You don’t get to blame just one side for murdering civilians when both sides are doing it. You’re being dishonest. The only reason there aren’t more dead Israeli civilians is because of their world-class air defense systems and their enemy’s lack of military capacity.

                I’d be really curious to hear what you imagine would happen to the Israeli population if we removed their ability to defend themselves and why it wouldn’t be october 7th times a million?

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                  No, it is definitely aggressors fault. Both Russia and Israel should fuck off back into their INTERNATIONALLY recognised borders.

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              They would certainly remove the settlers back to internationally recognized Israeli borders, but no there’s no evidence for your statement except Israeli lies about Palestinian slogans.

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          29 days ago

          Don’t you think that feelings of victims hating the perpetrators are completely justified?

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                If only there were peaceful ways to get help that would almost have certainly garnered a lot more sympathy than resorting to terrorism…

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                  So, your solution is for the Palestinians to shut up and die? Nice, real peaceful

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                  There are, in fact, none. That’s why Hamas managed to gain the Palestinian cause a lot of sympathy over the last 20 years while the PLO did absolutely fucking nothing.

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                  They tried peaceful protests and the Israeli military opened fire on them. They went to the UN for help and Israel called it “diplomatic terrorism” and put sanctions on Palestinians. What alternatives are there?

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              Did the Jews forgive nazi perpetrators? Or were they still hunting them down many years after the war?

              So why do you want Palestinians to forgive nazi perpetrators?

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          Pointless hate? These people are subject to Israeli Apartheid and acts of ethnic cleansing. Daily. What part of fighting that is pointless?

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              You’re knowingly be disingenuous, but if not you should know that Israeli Palestinians are the exception in Israel’s system of oppression. They’re the number of Palestinians Israel found acceptable to be in their territory in 1948 when they were kicking everyone else out.

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          It’s not radical to stand up for oppression and genocide. It’s not pointless to hate a group of people who stolen everything from you. The fact that you would label it as such just goes to show how little you actually value human lives and their rights.

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        I mean morally it doesn’t, but it should matter for the US that it’s citizens are getting bombed. More than just a moral failure, America not acting to protect those citizens indicates its failure as a state. It’s very much worth pointing out.

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    There are 6,000 Americans trying to leave. We’ve evacuated 100.

    What the fuck is going with my country? Biden was supposed to be a vote for the status quo after a crazy 4 years but now it feels like we’re right back in the Trump years.

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    I don’t know what sane American would be in Lebanon, but then again there’s Americans who get it in their fool heads to go to active war zones all the time. Like they’re fucking tourists to a war, not even to fight. Not to mention North Korea.

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      Uh… There are Lebanese American people who want to visit their families. It’s dangerous, but for many people worth the danger when their homes aren’t suddenly made into active warzones.

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      America has lot’s Lebanese people. They’re just there to visit their families. Lebanon wasn’t an active war zone until Israel decided it was. Thanks to being enabled by America.

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      The 50+ year old Lebanese immigrants in Dearborn would like you kick your ass for you