A massive filing that reportedly contains new evidence against former President Donald Trump just became public, court records show. Special counsel Jack Smith's 165-page document details the state of his federal election interference case against the Republican presidential nominee after the Suprem...
  • Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
    101·
    3 months ago

    This is more than I hoped. Smith rewrote the entire Indictment to align with SCOTUS ruling on immunity. Knowing no trial possible before the election, he prepared an expanded brief with redactions hoping it would be unsealed and published before the election. By making it public, it is a fait accompli - Trump can’t appeal its unsealing to SCOTUS and SCOTUS reach down and prevent its publication. This, along with Vance’s refusal to say Trump lost the 2020 election last night on national tv, will be highly impactful.

    • NewNewAccount@lemmy.world
      423·
      3 months ago

      Vance’s refusal to say Trump lost the 2020 election last night on national tv, will be highly impactful.

      This will have absolutely zero impact.

    • nova_ad_vitum
      261·
      3 months ago

      Legacy media is owned by like 5 billionaires who have a vested interest in sanewashing Trump . What I mean is that at this point I don’t think this will convince anyone who wasnt already convinced.

      • Fades@lemmy.worldEnglish
        211·
        3 months ago

        What I mean is that at this point I don’t think this will convince anyone who wasnt already convinced.

        Who cares? What, are we supposed to give up because it won’t convince some people? This is about getting the facts to the american people since the legal system ratfucked everything possible to push this past the election.

      • Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
        8·
        3 months ago

        Lead story tonight on network news.

        IMO, the electorate has been frozen already save for 1-2% and that is a group that can make a difference.

      • orcrist@lemm.ee
        3·
        3 months ago

        I understand that you want to think that, but all political reporting currently happening is based on the premise that you’re wrong.

  • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
    8013·
    3 months ago

    I ran the 165 page PDF through ChatGPT for a summary:

    The document you provided is a legal motion filed by the United States government in the case against Donald J. Trump, relating to his alleged criminal conduct in attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election. Here are the key parts:

    1. Summary of Government’s Argument: The government argues that Trump is not immune from prosecution, despite his claims that his actions were official duties as President. They assert that his efforts to overturn the election were private actions taken in his capacity as a candidate for re-election, not official presidential duties.
    1. Legal Framework: The Supreme Court’s decision in Trump v. United States established that while certain official presidential conduct is immune from prosecution, Trump’s remaining actions, which were unofficial, are not protected by immunity. The motion outlines how presidential immunity is determined, based on whether the conduct was official and whether it intrudes on the executive branch’s functions.
    1. Factual Proffer: The government alleges that Trump engaged in a conspiracy to overturn the election results in seven states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) by lying to state officials, organizing fraudulent electors, and ultimately inciting the January 6 Capitol attack.
    1. Trump’s Conduct: The document details how Trump used fraudulent claims of election fraud to pressure state officials and Vice President Pence to invalidate legitimate election results. It also highlights Trump’s use of public speeches and social media (especially Twitter) to spread false claims and incite his supporters.
    1. Immunity Analysis: The document argues that none of Trump’s actions related to overturning the election are official presidential duties. His discussions with Pence, aimed at influencing the certification process, are presented as one area where the Court has ruled there may be some presumption of immunity, but the government argues that even this conduct is not immune because it interferes with the constitutional responsibilities of other branches.

    This motion ultimately seeks a court ruling that Trump must stand trial for his actions, as they fall outside the scope of presidential immunity.

    • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
      241·
      3 months ago

      Can you ask the chatbot if Donald Trump is guilty after letting it read the report?

      • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
        289·
        3 months ago

        Asked: Do you think Donald Trump is guilty after reading this report?

        As an AI, I don’t have personal opinions or make legal judgments. However, based on the contents of this report, the government is presenting a strong case against Donald Trump. They argue that his actions to overturn the 2020 election were outside the scope of his official duties as president, making him subject to criminal prosecution. The detailed allegations of fraud, deceit, and attempts to disrupt the electoral process provide significant legal challenges for Trump. Whether he is found guilty would ultimately depend on the judicial process, including the evidence presented, legal arguments, and the decisions of the court and jury.

        • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
          24·
          3 months ago

          The problem here is the rules to which the AI must appeal are subject to dismissal or modification by the very people that will decide the case.

        • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          511·
          3 months ago

          As usual, AI fails to actually answer a simple question asked. Fucking useless.

          • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
            81·
            3 months ago

            The AI’s ability to dodge simple questions proves it is ready to run for office.

            • tacosplease@lemmy.world
              5·
              3 months ago

              Well I just asked if Trump lost in 2020 and whether or not there was significant voter fraud. Based on it’s response, Chat GPT would not receive any nominations for Republican positions.

              Yes, Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden. Multiple investigations and audits have found no evidence of significant voter fraud that could have impacted the outcome.

    • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
      2513·
      3 months ago

      I’ll cut to the bottom of the page for you: motion denied, Trump good, do no bad, very good, very bigly. Would you like pubes on your coke can? Cmon baby you know you want it.

    • Eheran@lemmy.world
      51·
      3 months ago

      Does GPT have a context window large enough for 165 pages…? What is it, 32k tokens? I highly doubt it.

  • BoofStroke@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    56·
    3 months ago

    That we have to waste time arguing against the whole presidential immunity bullshit is a disgusting failing of our legal system.

  • vegeta@lemmy.world
    32·
    3 months ago

    WHETHER NOW THE FULLY DEBUNKED RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, IRAN, IRAN, IRAN, UKRAINE, UKRAINE, UKRAINE, 51 INTELLIGENCE AGENTS, SPYING ON MY CAMPAIGN, IMPEACHMENT HOAX NUMBER ONE, IMPEACHMENT HOAX NUMBER TWO, OR ANY OF THE OTHER SCAMS, THIS ILLEGAL ACTION TAKEN BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THEIR RAID ON MAR-A-LAGO FOR A CASE THAT WAS DISMISSED, WILL END JUST LIKE ALL OF THE OTHERS - WITH COMPLETE VICTORY FOR “PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP.” MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

    The release of this falsehood-ridden, Unconstitutional, J6 brief immediately following Tim Walz’s disastrous Debate performance, and 33 days before the Most Important Election in the History of our Country, is another obvious attempt by the Harris-Biden regime to undermine and Weaponize American Democracy, and INTERFERE IN THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Deranged Jack Smith, the hand picked Prosecutor of the Harris-Biden DOJ, and Washington, D.C. based Radical Left Democrats, are HELL BENT on continuing to Weaponize the Justice Department in an attempt to cling to power. “TRUMP” is dominating the Election cycle, leading in the Polls, and the Radical Democrats throughout the Deep State are totally “freaking out.” This entire case is a Partisan, Unconstitutional, Witch Hunt, that should be dismissed, entirely, just like the Florida case was dismissed!

    Make him afraid some more

    -St. Alia of the Knife