I wonder how far back you’d have to go in order to find the original incident that set off this enormous chain of retaliations. Probably at least 5,000 years.
Nah you just have to go back to the end of WWII when the the postwar allies decided it was easier to give all the Jews who survived the genocide Palestine. They armed them. Then let them push out the people who had been there for thousands of years out to create their new country. Its continued this entire time. There is a site somewhere that shows how isreal has steadily took over land that wasn’t given to them in the original agreement. Further more the document that established the new isreal guaranteed a Palestinian state which isreal has consistently prevented since their inception. All of this information can be found but you can bet isreal tries to suppress that as well. I’m done with isreal. WWII was fought in part to prevent their genocide. Now they are killing on that scale and can’t see the hypocrisy in their actions. It must gall them when someone with a Jewish heritage like Bernie Sanders takes action to prevent the US from enabling the genocide they are currently carrying out.
Bout 80 years actually. The current conflict is settler colonists fighting natives. The religious justification is just that, justification with no history support. Just classic colonization and ethnic cleansing of natives.
I’d probably push it back to a little over 100 years to include WWI, the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the British Mandate for Palestine, since that all set the stage for Israel being founded pretty directly, and there had already been a pretty substantial movement for Jews to immigrate to the region by about the '30s (known as the “Fifth Aliyah”) so a bit outside of your 80 year range.
But of course, none of these events happen in a vacuum, if you want to get really nitpicky, you can start talking about the events that world war 1, trace them way back, through the crusades, the birth of Muhammad, Christianity, the Roman empire, all the way back to the bronze age, and maybe even further if you were able to somehow find decent historical records going that far back.
Trying to point to one single event as the one that kicked off a certain conflict is tough, because there was always something that led up to that event too, and when you try to unravel it, before too long you might come to a very Douglass Adams-y conclusion that it all started when our first ape ancestors decided to come down from the trees, only for someone else to say that the trees had been a mistake in the first place and that we never should have left the oceans.
Jewish settlers 80+ years ago bought their land legally. Meaning they legally own the land. Such classic colonization. Somehow after the ethnic cleansing they were left with 10x the population they started with. Seriously cleansed them didn’t they.
Even if some of the land was bought legally, most was stolen.
And the title to a plot of land is no justification for founding a state and exercising political and military power over your neighbour, denying him sovereignity.
“buying land doesn’t really mean much.” Tell that to the Palestinians who got upset when Jews moved into the land they sold to them. One thing it definitely means is the new owners might move in.
American settlers did obtain their land legally too. What’s your point? That to begin with, without us legally obtaining that land you wouldn’t have electricity. You wouldn’t have airplanes. You wouldn’t have a cell phone.
I wonder how far back you’d have to go in order to find the original incident that set off this enormous chain of retaliations. Probably at least 5,000 years.
Nah you just have to go back to the end of WWII when the the postwar allies decided it was easier to give all the Jews who survived the genocide Palestine. They armed them. Then let them push out the people who had been there for thousands of years out to create their new country. Its continued this entire time. There is a site somewhere that shows how isreal has steadily took over land that wasn’t given to them in the original agreement. Further more the document that established the new isreal guaranteed a Palestinian state which isreal has consistently prevented since their inception. All of this information can be found but you can bet isreal tries to suppress that as well. I’m done with isreal. WWII was fought in part to prevent their genocide. Now they are killing on that scale and can’t see the hypocrisy in their actions. It must gall them when someone with a Jewish heritage like Bernie Sanders takes action to prevent the US from enabling the genocide they are currently carrying out.
Bout 80 years actually. The current conflict is settler colonists fighting natives. The religious justification is just that, justification with no history support. Just classic colonization and ethnic cleansing of natives.
I’d probably push it back to a little over 100 years to include WWI, the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the British Mandate for Palestine, since that all set the stage for Israel being founded pretty directly, and there had already been a pretty substantial movement for Jews to immigrate to the region by about the '30s (known as the “Fifth Aliyah”) so a bit outside of your 80 year range.
But of course, none of these events happen in a vacuum, if you want to get really nitpicky, you can start talking about the events that world war 1, trace them way back, through the crusades, the birth of Muhammad, Christianity, the Roman empire, all the way back to the bronze age, and maybe even further if you were able to somehow find decent historical records going that far back.
Trying to point to one single event as the one that kicked off a certain conflict is tough, because there was always something that led up to that event too, and when you try to unravel it, before too long you might come to a very Douglass Adams-y conclusion that it all started when our first ape ancestors decided to come down from the trees, only for someone else to say that the trees had been a mistake in the first place and that we never should have left the oceans.
Jewish settlers 80+ years ago bought their land legally. Meaning they legally own the land. Such classic colonization. Somehow after the ethnic cleansing they were left with 10x the population they started with. Seriously cleansed them didn’t they.
Even if some of the land was bought legally, most was stolen.
And the title to a plot of land is no justification for founding a state and exercising political and military power over your neighbour, denying him sovereignity.
bought the land legally doesn’t really mean much, the american settlers obtained their land ‘legally’ too.
“buying land doesn’t really mean much.” Tell that to the Palestinians who got upset when Jews moved into the land they sold to them. One thing it definitely means is the new owners might move in.
American settlers did obtain their land legally too. What’s your point? That to begin with, without us legally obtaining that land you wouldn’t have electricity. You wouldn’t have airplanes. You wouldn’t have a cell phone.
Peak coloniser mindset.
wtf are you talking about