pip is a perfectly usable package manager and is included in most python distributions now. Is it perfect? No, but it is good enough for every team I have been on.
Putting aside the speed uv has a bunch of features that usually require 2-4 separate tools. These tools are very popular but not very well liked. The fact these tools are so popular proves that pip is not sufficient for many use cases. Other languages have a single tool (e.g. cargo) that are very well liked.
It was solved by the OS on which it installs. Because that’s the system-wide package management of record, and the only one which properly reports to enterprise monitoring.
Losers reinventing RPM are the same class of slug as those inventing their own crypto.
Yet another python packager
...............insane that such a popular language still doesn’t have this basic problem solved.Yeah but this one is actually good. So hopefully it will displace all the others.
pipis a perfectly usable package manager and is included in most python distributions now. Is it perfect? No, but it is good enough for every team I have been on.@CodeMonkey @ertai No it is not perfectly usable for all people, all projects, all situations. uv definitely gets much closer to that.
it’s usable, yet it doesn’t attempt to solve a a third of the problems uv, poetry, and pdm address.
it’s also not hard to end up with a broken env with pip.
Except that it’s slower than uv and therefore strictly worse for build processes
… a tool that obscures its state from the system, gleefully supports supply-chain attacks, and has the same bad level of validation as debs.
Putting aside the speed uv has a bunch of features that usually require 2-4 separate tools. These tools are very popular but not very well liked. The fact these tools are so popular proves that pip is not sufficient for many use cases. Other languages have a single tool (e.g. cargo) that are very well liked.
I use poetry and it works really well. I would consider it solved but that doesn’t mean there isn’t the possibility of a better solution.
Glad I use arch btw, pacman manages my python packages so I don’t have to deal with all this mess.
It was solved by the OS on which it installs. Because that’s the system-wide package management of record, and the only one which properly reports to enterprise monitoring.
Losers reinventing RPM are the same class of slug as those inventing their own crypto.