They’re already happening under Biden. Did you miss a few weeks ago when homelessness was declared illegal? What about a few years ago when it became legal to criminalize abortions? How about when cop cities started becoming a thing under Biden? (And surely you recall when he mocked the Defund movement in his SOTU.)
This isn’t a choice between fascist on non-fascist. It’s a choice between two flavors of fascism.
When did biden declare homelessness illegal again. You do know the abortion rulings were by the judges appointed by trump right? And again not sure when biden founded some cop cities. This is exactly the crap of hey lets take the worse option and complain about the effects as if it came from the better.
the powers laid out to him do are not in anything you spoke about and to boot he is not actively doing anything to make it happen like trump did with his scotus picks. its redic you make this statement when one of the things you put in your initial thing is 100% from action of trump. if a few folks had voted for hilary we would still have roe vs wade. I get it the nose needs to be held but I prefer to to live in the better outcome.
I think people are more concerned about the guy trying to give himself absolute immunity and install loyalists across every part of the government. Only one candidate is telling voters they’ll never have to vote again.
Most of the things you are descriving are rulings from the Supreme Court, what is supposed to be an apolitical entity is now effectively a wing of the Heritage Foundation. Biden has spoken out about their decisions, what else is he supposed to do to counter them? AOC started impeachemnent proceedings against some of the more corrupt members, but without a majority what else can they currently do?
This is not to say the democrats are perfect or even good, but compared to the actions of the republicans? They are not the same. This is not a typical election at all.
This is not to say the democrats are perfect or even good
Their entire pitch 4 years ago was that they’d leverage the power of the Federal Government to stop fascism.
They had a mandate and did nothing except use the power of their offices to get wealthier, or in Biden’s case, keep his scumbag son out of jail.
I voted for Biden in full knowledge that the middle class would suffer because I thought what we’d seen from Trump would entail real, tangible action on the part of Democrats to purge the fascists from our government.
But it didn’t.
I have zero faith they’ll do anything to stop it now after watching them spend four years doing nothing about it, and it doesn’t make sense to me to argue that they’re some kind of conscientious alternative after what we’ve all seen them do these past four years.
If they’d done what they promised Trump wouldn’t even be able to run now. Let that sink in.
Well, I agree with some of what youve said, Merrick Garland has a lot of blame here (and Biden for choosing him honestly, Bidens tried way to hard to “reach across the aisle” when the people on the other side were criminals and lunatics… that is infruitating)
But being disappointed in the response doesnt mean people still shouldnt turn out to vote though. It stands to reason we have a better chance seeing Trump finally brought to justice of hes defeated?
Knowing how much power Trump would get going into office and how much better organized his campaign is terrifying. He plans on totally dismantling the department of Justice and FBI, and turning it into his own personal police force out for revenge.
Harris hasnt had much actual say here thus far, Vice presidents arent able to intervene on these matters, but I think she would do a much better job of prosecuting Trump. Theres been plenty of fresh election interference charges to throw at him in the past few months alone.
It stands to reason we have a better chance seeing Trump finally brought to justice of hes defeated?
Based on what facts?
Harris hasnt had much actual say here thus far
She’s been a presidential candidate and a politician long enough that not having her platform publicly available on her website isn’t a mistake; it’s a deliberate omission.
Her platform is: Just trust me. Well, I can’t really do that when I just watched you waste four years that could have been spent trying to stop fascists, no?
It stands to reason because if Trump wins, he gets presidential immunity and will replace the entire department of justice with sycophants.
Im not sure what you are arguing here, are you saying people shouldnt vote for her because she didnt convict Trump - even when that means putting Trump in power again (effectively placing him above the law forever?)
Also there are multiple strong cases against Trump that have been held up and tanked due to Trump’s own judge apointees (Cannon and the supreme court)
Its not as if theyve done nothing?
They’re already happening under Biden. Did you miss a few weeks ago when homelessness was declared illegal? What about a few years ago when it became legal to criminalize abortions? How about when cop cities started becoming a thing under Biden? (And surely you recall when he mocked the Defund movement in his SOTU.)
This isn’t a choice between fascist on non-fascist. It’s a choice between two flavors of fascism.
When did biden declare homelessness illegal again. You do know the abortion rulings were by the judges appointed by trump right? And again not sure when biden founded some cop cities. This is exactly the crap of hey lets take the worse option and complain about the effects as if it came from the better.
Pretending the president is powerless doesn’t help your position.
the powers laid out to him do are not in anything you spoke about and to boot he is not actively doing anything to make it happen like trump did with his scotus picks. its redic you make this statement when one of the things you put in your initial thing is 100% from action of trump. if a few folks had voted for hilary we would still have roe vs wade. I get it the nose needs to be held but I prefer to to live in the better outcome.
I think people are more concerned about the guy trying to give himself absolute immunity and install loyalists across every part of the government. Only one candidate is telling voters they’ll never have to vote again.
Most of the things you are descriving are rulings from the Supreme Court, what is supposed to be an apolitical entity is now effectively a wing of the Heritage Foundation. Biden has spoken out about their decisions, what else is he supposed to do to counter them? AOC started impeachemnent proceedings against some of the more corrupt members, but without a majority what else can they currently do?
This is not to say the democrats are perfect or even good, but compared to the actions of the republicans? They are not the same. This is not a typical election at all.
Their entire pitch 4 years ago was that they’d leverage the power of the Federal Government to stop fascism.
They had a mandate and did nothing except use the power of their offices to get wealthier, or in Biden’s case, keep his scumbag son out of jail.
I voted for Biden in full knowledge that the middle class would suffer because I thought what we’d seen from Trump would entail real, tangible action on the part of Democrats to purge the fascists from our government.
But it didn’t.
I have zero faith they’ll do anything to stop it now after watching them spend four years doing nothing about it, and it doesn’t make sense to me to argue that they’re some kind of conscientious alternative after what we’ve all seen them do these past four years.
If they’d done what they promised Trump wouldn’t even be able to run now. Let that sink in.
Well, I agree with some of what youve said, Merrick Garland has a lot of blame here (and Biden for choosing him honestly, Bidens tried way to hard to “reach across the aisle” when the people on the other side were criminals and lunatics… that is infruitating)
But being disappointed in the response doesnt mean people still shouldnt turn out to vote though. It stands to reason we have a better chance seeing Trump finally brought to justice of hes defeated?
Knowing how much power Trump would get going into office and how much better organized his campaign is terrifying. He plans on totally dismantling the department of Justice and FBI, and turning it into his own personal police force out for revenge.
Harris hasnt had much actual say here thus far, Vice presidents arent able to intervene on these matters, but I think she would do a much better job of prosecuting Trump. Theres been plenty of fresh election interference charges to throw at him in the past few months alone.
Based on what facts?
She’s been a presidential candidate and a politician long enough that not having her platform publicly available on her website isn’t a mistake; it’s a deliberate omission.
Her platform is: Just trust me. Well, I can’t really do that when I just watched you waste four years that could have been spent trying to stop fascists, no?
It stands to reason because if Trump wins, he gets presidential immunity and will replace the entire department of justice with sycophants.
Im not sure what you are arguing here, are you saying people shouldnt vote for her because she didnt convict Trump - even when that means putting Trump in power again (effectively placing him above the law forever?)
Also there are multiple strong cases against Trump that have been held up and tanked due to Trump’s own judge apointees (Cannon and the supreme court) Its not as if theyve done nothing?
Thank you for the discussion.
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you’re being way too vitriolic here, dial it back by 10.