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Thank you for the elaborate answer! I appreciate it 😊. It’s also been instrumental to put your earlier statements into perspective. Incoming long comment…
With all due respect, blaming UX doesn’t help your case 😅.
Bazzite, a SteamOS clone based on Fedora plus some extra sauce, comes very close to the best UX out there (on desktop Linux). If you choose to blame that instead of (primarily) looking at yourself, then I simply don’t know what to say.
Where? I want to see it. A quick search didn’t yield anything like that.
The issue you’ve faced is peculiar for a multitude of reasons:
apt
/dnf
/pacman
on Arch/Debian/Fedora.about:support
contains information on where you may find the profile directory.about:support
.about:support
.The three points that start with ‘(possibly)’ are especially curious, as they shouldn’t have happened in the first place IF you had read the simple instructions on Firefox Profilemaker; which you reference elsewhere. You can blame documentation all you want. But, honestly, I’m not confident you would even make proper use of it based on this awful track record.
Why would it have to mention information on Firefox profiles? This is literally not even an issue. Even referring to it as a ‘you problem’ would be nice. Same applies to referring to this as ‘skill issue’. Which you actually took as offensive (or something), but it was actually just me being nice.
Documentation efforts should be spent on stuff that are otherwise literally undocumented. Firefox profiles works identical across the board. But you somehow failed at it and chose to blame immutability smh and called it quits based on (seemingly) a single user report that I’ve yet to see/find.
I simply fail to reproduce this. I’ve got no clue what you were doing. Consider making a video.
I appreciate your honesty.
Like, I assume you went to the Firefox profile manager website, downloaded whatever config you ended up with and followed its instructions related to implementing it. When I do this, I just go over the folder as found on
about:support
, paste it there and done. Like, with all due respect, how did you fail at this? Sorry, I simply fail to understand. Again, consider recording this.Furthermore, I implore you to link me to the misinformation you’ve found; I tried finding it on my own, but I simply failed.
Thank you for correcting my incorrect assumption. Though, I wonder; did you update your complete system before you applied the steps as found on RPM Fusion’s documentation? Knowing that you’ve been a user of Manjaro for two years, it only makes sense to assume you did. And, if that’s the case, then that’s an unfortunate bug and/or breakage that you’re not guilty of. Consider reporting it.
All of this is unexpected behavior. Again, if you did nothing wrong, then this seems to be simply on Fedora. They aren’t saints, so they can definitely miss the mark. Though, I can’t recall anyone else experiencing this due to legit reasons. However, I am aware there’s a first to everything.
Again, if you updated your system after installation, then did a reboot (perhaps more than one). And finally followed the steps as per RPM Fusion’s documentation. Then I simply fail to see what you would have done wrong.
Regarding the distros you’ve tried and your experiences with them, I would like to note the following:
Don’t get me wrong. I’ve crapped my pants with Arch, EndeavourOS and Nobara. So, I very much understand that (semi-)rolling distros are far from perfect and can definitely break at seemingly random times. But, I choose to blame myself:
And, if you choose to equate/define or refer to all of the above as “lack of proper UX”, then I got a surprise for you… There are distros to which the above does not apply. So…, why do you choose to stick to distros that are known to be less trouble-free?
Based on the above, a very curious observation would be that you somehow seem to attract problems that are otherwise observed a lot more rarely. At that point, I’m inclined to think that either you or the hardware is the main culprit. I wouldn’t blame the software that seems to be working for everyone else. But, that’s just me.
Another curious observation would be that you (seemingly) have not tried anything based on Debian (and/or Ubuntu). Are you perhaps biased towards it? Or, are you simply aware that your hardware is too new for it (which I doubt unless you’ve continually changed to newer hardware in the past two years)? Or, you simply consciously choose to use ‘more current’ distros for whatever (perhaps legit) reason. Please feel free to inform us on this.
So, in my experience, the community has been lovely at large. Sure, it ain’t perfect, but what even is. Therefore, I’m sorry to hear that your experience has been different. Though, again, it might be the community reacting to someone they perceive as misinformed OR not diligent on making it work OR not being helpful towards those offering help.
Furthermore, I’ve actually not found any post of yours in hopes of resolving any of these issues. Perhaps you chose to ask individual users in comments instead, but your track record on Lemmy doesn’t portray you as someone that’s diligent on solving the problem. For example, regarding Bazzite, if you had just joined their Discord and asked your question there, then they would have solved the issue for you that very moment and you wouldn’t have made a joke out of yourself.
Though, I understand you might have lost interest to engage with communities like that based on some past experiences (e.g. with EndeavourOS’ community as you had already pointed out). FWIW, a single bad experience shouldn’t have deterred you from ever (re)commencing and/or (re-)engaging.
Regardless, again, thanks for your elaborate answer. At this point, it genuinely makes most sense to me if you choose to give Bazzite another go if you’re willing to stick to distros with (at least relatively) up to date packages. If not, then consider trying something based on Debian (and/or Ubuntu) for once. Perhaps it’s the one thing you actually needed. Or, simply return back to Manjaro if it most successfully managed to satisfy your needs without putting you into too much trouble.
If installing shit is 50 times more inconvenient & more or a hassle compared to pretty much any other distro I have ever used, then that’s clearly not the case.
Some Reddit comment. Dunno which submission as I can’t seem to install even Mullvad on it, so I can’t hop DNS servers so I can’t circumvent Reddit’s VPN block to even bother looking for it again. But it’s definitely not a UX issue!
I’m not gonna read the rest of your text wall since your entitlement & insults just show the clownery that is your person after you clearly failed to even acknowledge the correct profile folder while trying to berate me. So, take up your own advise and work on your SKILL ISSUES.
lol, the full answer I had written somehow was ripped to pieces. I’ll therefore keep it brief.
about:support
while it’s found (as seen below) inabout:profiles
instead. I know it’s found in Firefox, I (just) messed up the exact spot. Therefore, thank you for countering misinformation!It was not found in either page, as I already explained. Maybe they’ve fixed it by now but at the time of my comment the page led to the mentioned empty standard folder path you’d expect on a regular installation.
Alright, so through the
flathub remote-info --log flathub org.mozilla.firefox
command, we can view which commit was active at that moment.Command yields:
So, at the time of your comment, commit
6a16f6a509340ad3bb833c9d9aa794ed78910aa43803a7420438b880aa0a6ce0
was active and deployed on your system. Let’s find out what downgrading to this commit yields.Downgrading through
sudo flatpak update --commit=6a16f6a509340ad3bb833c9d9aa794ed78910aa43803a7420438b880aa0a6ce0 org.mozilla.firefox
, after which theabout:profiles
page is opened on this downgraded Firefox yields:The beautiful part is that, as Flatpak is containerized anyways, anyone can downgrade to the earlier commit and it yields the exact same result. So, please feel free to verify this for yourself.
So, as a result, if the logic and the appliance is sound, then this showcases that your claim is either still true and portrays an anomaly -which I would deem as highly unlikely- or it’s simply false and you were just mistaken.
Finally, if I’ve messed up at any of the steps, then please feel free to correct me.
My guy, I don’t need to verify anything. I know what I saw. I literally clicked the open directory button too which just would lead me to the standard profile directory too. There’s 100% no mistaking it, as I have done this process countless of times over the past couple decades. Maybe it is the same weird way that the audio applet in the sys tray did not work at first and didn’t show any devices or apps, and how the audio system settings didn’t default properly for some games to the correct audio device - until they did some days later. If they had something like virtualbox in the repos I would’ve maybe installed the image I have on my usb stick again in a VM, but I’m not gonna through the process of wiping my installation again just to prove a point to some random rude asshole.