Even the teamsters are showing up.

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    If you want a timeline please feel free to read a more in depth article about it.

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      No article provides that timeline, it’s clear you can’t provide it either.

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        Every resource about it gives times and lists specific examples like Goldwater. It’s clear you did not check and are not interested in good faith discussion. (As was obvious from the start.)

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          You should check your history better, Goldwater only opposed the 1964 civil rights act, he supported 1957, 1960, & 24th admendment. His switching had more to do with his opposition to new deal policies.

          It was a good try, at least you attempted to provide evidence for your claim. The problem with this argument is for every dem senator or rep that changed parties there are 20 that stayed.

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            Goldwater campaigned on opposing civil rights as the first direct attempt to claim southern EC votes by mobilizing racists and other regressive groups. Whether or not he actually formerly believed in the racism he deliberately stoked is immaterial at that point.

            Nor is the argument that individual senators and congressmen changed parties, it is that the Repub party deliberately focused on campaigns and policies that would result in racists voting for them. I’m not sure why you are misrepresenting that.

            Southern Strategy and the deliberate decisions of the Repub party in decades following have inextricably linked the whole party with a core block of racist voters. Now even so-called “moderate” Repubs must accept the overt racism alongside whatever wedge issue they are voting for.

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              Goldwater campaigned on opposing civil rights as the first direct attempt to claim southern EC votes by mobilizing racists and other regressive groups.

              He opposed specific clauses and efforts of the civil rights movement of his time. Specifically pieces that violated his libertarian ideologies.

              Nor is the argument that individual senators and congressmen changed parties, it is that the Repub party deliberately focused on campaigns and policies that would result in racists voting for them. I’m not sure why you are misrepresenting that.

              I understand logic is hard for some people so I’ll break it down. The same Republicans that unanimously voted for every civil rights act but one continued to represent their constituents as Republicans, the same racists democrats stayed represented their part into the 2000s.

              Southern Strategy and the deliberate decisions of the Repub party in decades following have inextricably linked the whole party with a core block of racist voters. Now even so-called “moderate” Repubs must accept the overt racism alongside whatever wedge issue they are voting for.

              Race issues are not important issues for either party since the 70s, it’s been the economy.

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                He campaigned on specific pieces that violated southerners’ ideologies, such as racial equality. And then later you have Lee Atwater ramp it up for campaign strategy. https://www.salon.com/2012/11/13/audio_of_lee_atwaters_infamous_81_interview_on_the_southern_strategy/

                Race issues are not important issues for either party since the 70s, it’s been the economy.

                Ah, yes, the modern economic issues of “Mexicans are rapists and thieves” that Repubs believe in.

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                  He campaigned on specific pieces that violated southerners’ ideologies, such as racial equality. And then later you have Lee Atwater ramp it up for campaign strategy. https://www.salon.com/2012/11/13/audio_of_lee_atwaters_infamous_8

                  Atwaters interview is not the golden bullet you think it is, nor have you been able to show when the parties switched, or even provide evidence that all the racists democrats switched parties. So far you’ve shown one guy saying that Republicans tried to court racists democrats.

                  Ah, yes, the modern economic issues of “Mexicans are rapists and thieves” that Repubs believe in.

                  Immigration policies directly effect the labor pool, Americans are paid less due to open borders.

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                    The incontrovertible truth is that the white supremacists are Repub. We can look at which rallies have the Confederate flags, which Nazis rallies have the “good guys on both sides,” and which insurrections have the “Camp Auschwitz” hoodies. We can all see it. You are fooling nobody. The absolute truth is somewhere between the Emancipation Proclamation and now, most Repubs have switched from anti- to pro-Confederate.

                    You and I both know that the Southern Strategy occurred. You want to pretend it doesn’t. That is why you badgered until you could find one specific thing that you could deny with whatever outlandish claims you can think of. You want a year, month, and day so that you can smugly say, “nuh-uh, one Dem was racist beyond that point therefore it is wrong.”

                    Even then, the best you can come up with there is “that racism is actually libertarianism” about Goldwater and “nuh-uh, not true” about Atwater.

                    Why am I wasting my time interacting with a disingenuous bad faith liar? Look at where the racists are gathered. Read an actual article on Southern Strategy if you want to know why Repub voters and Repub leadership are majority racist.