If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
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[A]s long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force
Karl Popper, 1945, The Open Society and Its Enemies
It’s only free speech when we speak. When someone says something I don’t like, that’s not free speech.
It’s only ok to incite violence when we do it.
This hypocrisy isn’t a good look. Lemmy loves to point at Trump’s hypocrisy (see OP) but are blind to their own. It makes your position appear weaker because you don’t actually stand for anything (e.g. free speech as it exists in the US).
I’ve said it before but many here are more like conservatives than they realize. They also don’t really stand for anything. For example, they pretend to love small government and then bend right over with pre-lubed assholes when DeSantis legislates lab meat out of existence in their state instead of letting tHe FRee MArKeT decide.
“By the way, and if she gets to pick --if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know. But I’ll tell you what, that will be a horrible day, if – if – Hillary gets to put her judges in.”
-Donald Trump, Wilmington, N.C., Aug. 9, 2016
Since then we know Trump’s suggested method of dealing with legally unchangeable judge positioning.
Maybe your app is displaying them differently, but when I looked the 3rd highest top-level comment wanted the guy to have better aim and it had 49 net upvotes
Right. We all agree that encouraging violence is bad.
Right lemmy?
RIGHT LEMMY?
Self defense is still a form of violence. I’ll allow it.
Karl Popper, 1945, The Open Society and Its Enemies
I hate pacifists, man. They always try to publicly shame you by making it seem like violence is never justified… stupid deontological thinking
It’s only free speech when we speak. When someone says something I don’t like, that’s not free speech.
It’s only ok to incite violence when we do it.
This hypocrisy isn’t a good look. Lemmy loves to point at Trump’s hypocrisy (see OP) but are blind to their own. It makes your position appear weaker because you don’t actually stand for anything (e.g. free speech as it exists in the US).
I’ve said it before but many here are more like conservatives than they realize. They also don’t really stand for anything. For example, they pretend to love small government and then bend right over with pre-lubed assholes when DeSantis legislates lab meat out of existence in their state instead of letting tHe FRee MArKeT decide.
Wasn’t the guy who shot Trump a registered Republican?
Is it possible that he was incited to violence by… other Republicans?
-Donald Trump, Wilmington, N.C., Aug. 9, 2016
Since then we know Trump’s suggested method of dealing with legally unchangeable judge positioning.
Yep. And confirmed conservative, if recent headlines are to be trusted.
We pretending like every thread on Lemmy wasn’t filled with “wish he had better aim” sentiment?
In most the posts I saw, the comments wishing he had been killed were downvoted.
So yeah, some people made those comments, but most people didn’t agree with them
That hasn’t been my experience in any thread that I’ve seen.
I decided to look for examples of threads and most had neutral comments and some comments agreeing with my memory events.
This archived thread was the most blatant one I found.
I don’t have time to go look right now but when I went through the threads that was very much not the case.
Let’s see how this one does
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/12034108
When both teams suck, all you can do is root for injuries. But no, “I wish you’d just die already” is not a call to violence.
I remember you from the other thread. You’re a fan of feigning ignorance if it helps your point.
Read this thread. The people encouraging violence are upvoted far more and those discouraging it are downvoted.
It’s not just that thread either.
To continue a theme from our previous thread - you mind if we quit playing stupid?
The top five root comments have no such thing.
Maybe your app is displaying them differently, but when I looked the 3rd highest top-level comment wanted the guy to have better aim and it had 49 net upvotes
https://archive.is/uNswh
I’m archiving so you see the same layout I saw.