Main thing to remember with this story is that its Ceaser’s own account of what happened, written specifically to mythologize himself. It’s guaranteed that he’s lying, it’s guerenteed that it didnt happen like this. The only real question is whether he’s lying because it was a much harder fight and he wants to seem stronger, or whether it was a much easier fight and he wants his opponent to seem stronger.
Edit: apologies for the hasty, under-researched comment. I went into a momentary anti-roman fugue state.
Historians do doubt the numbers Caesar claimed (he likely inflated the Gallic numbers), and archaeology suggests his fortifications may not be as perfect as his account describes. But the presence of the double walls themselves is not, to my knowledge, in doubt.
Vercingetorix was dealt a bad hand and did the best anyone could’ve done in his place. Sometimes the fault isn’t in ourselves, but in our stars. Circumstances can screw you hard - like Caesar having a six year head start on subduing Gaul before your countrymen finally agree to come together.
Heh, I don’t know about wise, but a love of history changes one’s perspective. Going down through the ages, there are so many figures who are brilliant or virtuous who get absolutely screwed, and then mediocre twits who coast through with an endless streak of good luck.
Sometimes it really is just a roll of the dice.
At least Vercingetorix got some nice statues out of it in the 19th century,
Main thing to remember with this story is that its Ceaser’s own account of what happened, written specifically to mythologize himself. It’s guaranteed that he’s lying, it’s guerenteed that it didnt happen like this. The only real question is whether he’s lying because it was a much harder fight and he wants to seem stronger, or whether it was a much easier fight and he wants his opponent to seem stronger.
Edit: apologies for the hasty, under-researched comment. I went into a momentary anti-roman fugue state.
Historians do doubt the numbers Caesar claimed (he likely inflated the Gallic numbers), and archaeology suggests his fortifications may not be as perfect as his account describes. But the presence of the double walls themselves is not, to my knowledge, in doubt.
… that’s not how you critically examine a primary source.
Ya fair enough. I get defensive of Vercingetorix because so many people meme him into a punching bag.
Vercingetorix was dealt a bad hand and did the best anyone could’ve done in his place. Sometimes the fault isn’t in ourselves, but in our stars. Circumstances can screw you hard - like Caesar having a six year head start on subduing Gaul before your countrymen finally agree to come together.
You strike me as a wise individual, PugJesus
Heh, I don’t know about wise, but a love of history changes one’s perspective. Going down through the ages, there are so many figures who are brilliant or virtuous who get absolutely screwed, and then mediocre twits who coast through with an endless streak of good luck.
Sometimes it really is just a roll of the dice.
At least Vercingetorix got some nice statues out of it in the 19th century,
Sure, there are definitely more than just two ways caesar that could be lying.
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