Any President who encourages a genocide is by definition a bad President I’m sorry to say. The ethnic cleansing campaign is already almost complete, all on his watch with his defending Israel and giving them weapons and cover in the UN and in public. Hell, he even lied about the reason on the debate (the one thing he lied about and Trump told the truth about lol). People should still feel free to vote for him, especially if you live in a swing state, but we shouldn’t minimize that millions of Gazans are currently refugees. I hope he fucking shapes up on this issue by November. I don’t want him to take all these votes for him as an endorsement of his pro genocide policies.
I wish you weren’t being downvoted just because people disagree with you, but I do think there are a couple of things wrong with your statement. For one, there has been some sort of genocide level event happening somewhere in the world pretty much continuously for decades. How much, exactly, do you want the USA to be the World Police? Most of us would say we want to be less involved in foreign affairs, not more. Now, many people will say, “sure, Biden’s policy with regard to Israel isn’t great, but can you imagine how much worse Trump’s would be?” I’ve never liked that argument, because just because one candidate’s policies are worse doesn’t mean that we should capitulate to the other guy’s bad ideas. Surely we can find a way to do better, right? But, I think a lot of people will read your comment like you’re making the election a single-issue choice, and that doesn’t tend to read well.
For the life of me, I can’t understand why Biden is taking this stance. He surely knows it’s unpopular with a big chunk of his voters. So why then? I’m sure he isn’t acting alone, he is listening to foreign policy, national security, military advisors. Maybe he’s listening too much to the military industrial complex, and we have every right to be pissed about that. OTOH, we can acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist organization. We can also recognize that Netanyahu was democratically elected. What would you have Biden do, send teams in to forcibly remove him and install our own leader? Maybe we’d just like to stop sending Israel munitions. Seems like a pretty low bar, why don’t we do it? I have no idea. I hate it. I can’t sit here and pretend to be a foreign policy expert however. Maybe by sending the weapons, we keep a seat at the table over how they are used. Maybe without our bargaining chip, Netanyahu tells us to eat shit and carpet bombs the entire Palestinian state into glass. Maybe it really is just the American M/I complex making sure we keep that gravy train flowing. That’s the most depressing, most frustrating possibility, but I’d really like to think it is more nuanced than that.
I hope he fucking shapes up on this issue by November. I don’t want him to take all these votes for him as an endorsement of his pro genocide policies.
I agree with you on that, 100%. At the very least, we deserve an honest explanation.
Thanks, I dislike that, too. The difference between this genocide and others, is that the US is directly involved in this one. Palestinian children are being killed by our bombs, dropped by equipment based on our technology, from deals we’ve given them, and ordered by politicians we are supporting. If the US wasn’t involved, I wouldn’t care as much. But they are. Blinken runs interference for them, defending Israel at every opportunity. We block resolutions against them in the UN. The press uses loaded language with Hamas and the passive voice with Israel caused tragedies and massacres. We promise retribution against the ICC if they prosecute Netanyahu (if you ever need proof we’re the baddies, look at that. Threatening vengeance against international court when they are trying to punish a genocide). Biden has gone around Congress to give stuff to Israel multiple times. They avoid applying any pressure to Israel to let in aid, instead using the vastly inefficient and more expensive failure of a pier. He keeps saying it’s not a genocide despite a bunch of other countries saying it is. They block news of bad things Israel does and actively lie about it. People in his administration have left over these things. I agree with you that the US should be less involved and not be the World Police. But you seem to think this means I want us to go in. If we were not involved, that would be a VAST improvement over the status of quo, of being involved in purely bad ways. At least if we weren’t involved, I wouldn’t feel responsible as an American in a democracy to use my vote to affect change in some way, to do good, agonizing over whether to vote for a “Hitler” because his holocaust is abroad and he’s got better domestic policies. I hate the DNC for putting those of us with a conscience in this position.
Now, this doesn’t mean I think people should vote for Trump. Maybe I should’ve emphasized that more. He’s obviously worse. But he’s not causing this right now, Biden is. So he’s a bad President. I can acknowledge he’s better than Trump on this and all other issues, and still criticize him for that.
Any President who encourages a genocide is by definition a bad President I’m sorry to say. The ethnic cleansing campaign is already almost complete, all on his watch with his defending Israel and giving them weapons and cover in the UN and in public. Hell, he even lied about the reason on the debate (the one thing he lied about and Trump told the truth about lol). People should still feel free to vote for him, especially if you live in a swing state, but we shouldn’t minimize that millions of Gazans are currently refugees. I hope he fucking shapes up on this issue by November. I don’t want him to take all these votes for him as an endorsement of his pro genocide policies.
I wish you weren’t being downvoted just because people disagree with you, but I do think there are a couple of things wrong with your statement. For one, there has been some sort of genocide level event happening somewhere in the world pretty much continuously for decades. How much, exactly, do you want the USA to be the World Police? Most of us would say we want to be less involved in foreign affairs, not more. Now, many people will say, “sure, Biden’s policy with regard to Israel isn’t great, but can you imagine how much worse Trump’s would be?” I’ve never liked that argument, because just because one candidate’s policies are worse doesn’t mean that we should capitulate to the other guy’s bad ideas. Surely we can find a way to do better, right? But, I think a lot of people will read your comment like you’re making the election a single-issue choice, and that doesn’t tend to read well.
For the life of me, I can’t understand why Biden is taking this stance. He surely knows it’s unpopular with a big chunk of his voters. So why then? I’m sure he isn’t acting alone, he is listening to foreign policy, national security, military advisors. Maybe he’s listening too much to the military industrial complex, and we have every right to be pissed about that. OTOH, we can acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist organization. We can also recognize that Netanyahu was democratically elected. What would you have Biden do, send teams in to forcibly remove him and install our own leader? Maybe we’d just like to stop sending Israel munitions. Seems like a pretty low bar, why don’t we do it? I have no idea. I hate it. I can’t sit here and pretend to be a foreign policy expert however. Maybe by sending the weapons, we keep a seat at the table over how they are used. Maybe without our bargaining chip, Netanyahu tells us to eat shit and carpet bombs the entire Palestinian state into glass. Maybe it really is just the American M/I complex making sure we keep that gravy train flowing. That’s the most depressing, most frustrating possibility, but I’d really like to think it is more nuanced than that.
I agree with you on that, 100%. At the very least, we deserve an honest explanation.
Thanks, I dislike that, too. The difference between this genocide and others, is that the US is directly involved in this one. Palestinian children are being killed by our bombs, dropped by equipment based on our technology, from deals we’ve given them, and ordered by politicians we are supporting. If the US wasn’t involved, I wouldn’t care as much. But they are. Blinken runs interference for them, defending Israel at every opportunity. We block resolutions against them in the UN. The press uses loaded language with Hamas and the passive voice with Israel caused tragedies and massacres. We promise retribution against the ICC if they prosecute Netanyahu (if you ever need proof we’re the baddies, look at that. Threatening vengeance against international court when they are trying to punish a genocide). Biden has gone around Congress to give stuff to Israel multiple times. They avoid applying any pressure to Israel to let in aid, instead using the vastly inefficient and more expensive failure of a pier. He keeps saying it’s not a genocide despite a bunch of other countries saying it is. They block news of bad things Israel does and actively lie about it. People in his administration have left over these things. I agree with you that the US should be less involved and not be the World Police. But you seem to think this means I want us to go in. If we were not involved, that would be a VAST improvement over the status of quo, of being involved in purely bad ways. At least if we weren’t involved, I wouldn’t feel responsible as an American in a democracy to use my vote to affect change in some way, to do good, agonizing over whether to vote for a “Hitler” because his holocaust is abroad and he’s got better domestic policies. I hate the DNC for putting those of us with a conscience in this position.
Now, this doesn’t mean I think people should vote for Trump. Maybe I should’ve emphasized that more. He’s obviously worse. But he’s not causing this right now, Biden is. So he’s a bad President. I can acknowledge he’s better than Trump on this and all other issues, and still criticize him for that.
I agree some explanation would be nice at least.
We’re not selling any of them arms at the moment.