When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he’s already told Bibi to “finish it”. So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .

  • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
    185·
    6 months ago

    I agree with all of this, but it’s not an alternative, it’s just an additional vector of action. My question is about alternatives to Biden for president in this election.

    • AmbiguousProps@lemmy.todayEnglish
      56·
      6 months ago

      Well, that’s up to the DNC. They could put almost any other prominent dem and they’d probably beat Trump. The DNC also has the ability to change the candidate after the election but before the electoral ballots are cast, at least as far as I understand their rules.

      Trust, I understand your point. The primaries are over, and that’s where the different candidate should have been chosen. But unfortunately, the whole not knowing any viable alternatives line of thinking is what got the DNC into this mess in the first place.

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
        85·
        6 months ago

        Yeah, I think any other Dem candidate is a gamble: you lose out on the significant incumbent boost, you only have 4 months to campaign if you start now, and you risk losing momentum on the moderate vote. This isn’t an election I want to gamble with, especially with the recent SCOTUS ruling. Everything said and done, I don’t think the benefits outweigh the risks.

        November 6th is when we should start pushing for significant changes. 11th hour fuckery isn’t going to help this cycle.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          53·
          6 months ago

          Yeah, I think any other Dem candidate is a gamble: you lose out on the significant incumbent boost

          Except Biden has a 37% approval rating…

          That’s Jimmy Carter level…

          Do you know what happened with Jimmy Carter’s second term?

          An incumbency only translates to a boost, when being the incumbent is a positive thing.

          2/3s of voters don’t think Biden is a good president. 56% think he is a bad one.

          We can’t afford to hope enough people hold their nose for him.

          This is bigger than any one person, even Joe Biden

                • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  33·
                  6 months ago

                  Not in Data for Progress’ poll…

                  They used to be good, but after Biden won 2020 and they started working with the DNC, things went downhill quickly.

                  During the 2022 midterms, their polls ended up overestimating Republican support.[14] The Tartan reported that the group’s leader, Sean McElwee, was gambling on election results on the website PredictIt, raising ethical concerns.[15] McElwee left the firm in November 2022 amidst allegations of gambling on election results and artificially manipulating polling results to affect races that he had bet money on.[16] Additionally, it has been reported McElwee had inquired among his employees about having them participate in an illegal straw donor scheme.[16] Senior members of Data for Progress informed McElwee that they would resign en masse if he did not step down as the firm’s executive director.[16]

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_for_Progress

                  Did you catch that?

                  and artificially manipulating polling results to affect races that he had bet money on.[16] Additionally, it has been reported McElwee had inquired among his employees about having them participate in an illegal straw donor scheme

                  He also bragged in the past about being able to come up with polls that would be likely to result in increased donations to the candidate paying for the poll…

                  Which worked here too. Because I’ve seen articles bragging about how much Biden has raised recently

                  Even before that, they were “quick and dirty” polling.

                  But that’s a whole big can of worms to get into.

                  The important part is that these candidates are polling similar to Biden against Trump already.

                  And Biden has the full weight of the DNC behind him (at least up till last week) and an active campaign.

                  Obviously anyone that became the candidate and started campaign would see a jump.in their numbers unless it was someone like Hillary