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    Biden also did next to nothing.

    In fact, pretty much the entire West did next to nothing. They don’t care if we live or die.

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      What he did do was get vaccine distribution working. That made a world of difference in fatality rates

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        The person you responded to has not one iota of good faith. I’ve seen them in dozens of threads pushing accelerationist lies. They want this country to burn.

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        What does this even mean? Biden just happened to benefit from research that began before he was even president.

        Also continued the Trump policy of spreading vaccine misinformation in Asia to undermine China, causing countless deaths.

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          It means his team arranged for actual delivery, federal payments, and not just dumping it on the system, which weren’t prepared

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            The vaccine was finished in Trump’s lame duck period, Biden had to finish Trump’s job because he’s a psychopath and didn’t feel like doing anything if he wasn’t president anymore.

            But vaccines are not the end of the pandemic. Biden just used them to trick everyone into thinking it’s over.

            COVID is still killing people.

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              It’s not the end; it’s not something that ever ends, in the same way that influenza still kills people.

              But vaccines got us from a disease that was killing an awful lot more people to one where it’s one that kills a few.

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                Where’s small pox?

                Also, China showed that we could have at least had lockdowns until everyone was vaccinated. Instead we let er rip and more people died from COVID under Biden than under Trump.

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                  Smallpox is a disease where vaccination once protects you for life.

                  The current round of vaccines for COVID protect you for several months.

                  There’s a difference in outcomes because of that. I’ll also note that a big chunk of China didn’t get vaccinated either, and that we have a really active anti-vax contingent in the US with the support of Trump and the other Republicans.

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                    We could have kept masking and kept working from home while pumping billions more into vaccines until we could achieve eradication. We chose to let people die instead.

                    Also I’ll note, again, that a big portion of anti-vaxx sentiment in Asia was spread by the US to undermine China. Disgusting.

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            The Pentagon was actively spreading anti-vaxx misinformation in Asia. Claiming that the Chinese vaccine had pork (so Muslims wouldn’t use it), that vaccines weren’t effective, etc.

            It was an attempt to destabilize Asia. There’s a Reuters article released a couple weeks ago on it. Happened summer 2020 -> summer 2021. So roughly half under Trump, half under Biden.

            Although it wasn’t exactly a “Trump policy” or a “Biden policy”

            Obviously they ultimately hold responsibility for what the Pentagon does because they are commander in chief, but the military did act very sketchy in this case. They essentially used loopholes by considering the “Asian cyperspace” an “active warzone” which allowed them to do certain things without authorization from the state department.

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        What an accomplishment to distribute vaccines so that people can go back to the office/to the shops. Only a superhero could manage that.

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            Do you think there is a president that wouldn’t distribute vaccines? Trump only sabotaged the distribution on his way out because he’s a massive sore loser who wanted to make things more difficult for his opponent.

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              Yes actually — he started sabotaging pandemic response as soon as it became known that in the absence of vaccines, the disease would disproportionately harm minority communities which have less access to care.

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                But trump sabotaged the pandemic response for everyone, it wasn’t isolated to minorities. Had trump won, he wouldn’t have sabotaged the distribution of vaccines since it’d only be harming his own presidency.

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      I’m not interested in arguing with a BoTH SiDeS liar and never will be.

      Btw thanks for being the reason trump finishes us off. Enjoy the weather in Russia

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        What is this toxic bullshit? You’ve been pretending everything is fine and gaslighting the fuck out of people like the person you’re responding to, and somehow Biden showing how fucked up he is last night is her fault? Look at how you’ve treated people on your own side when Trump wins.

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          I know you know how the debate went last night, and I’m sure you’re delighted. No need to pretend with me.

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            I think it’s funny, but I’m still voting Dem downticket myself because I don’t want Trump to have support from Congress.

            Democrats should embrace it. I bet Jamal Bowman wouldn’t have lost if he withdrew his support for Biden, and all the other progressives at least should do the same. Just make the election about the House and Senate and state level races.

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              Why do you paper all of lemmy with anti-biden sentiment if you care about preventing trump’s influence? I do not buy it. I’ve seen this behavior from you repeatedly.

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                They’re most likely arguing in bad faith.

                "Bad faith is a sustained form of deception which consists of entertaining or pretending to entertain one set of feelings while acting as if influenced by another. It is associated with hypocrisy, breach of contract, affectation, and lip service. It may involve intentional deceit of others, or self-deception. "

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                Because I’m anti-Biden?

                It’s possible to be anti-Biden and anti-Trump, it’s really frustrating how “if you’re not with us you’re against us” is the norm.

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                  You can’t pretend american politics into being viable for third parties. Until something majorly changes to make third parties have a shred of a chance, pretending they are is destructive and it’s definitely often done so on purpose. That’s what I’m accusing you of, since over the course of months you given zero reasons to think otherwise and 200 reasons to think so.

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                    I’m not? I think we should focus entirely on electing Democrats down ballot and abandon Biden. Let Trump fail with a Democratically controlled House and Senate.