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    They’re not “turning against him”…

    They’re just not offering unconditional support, and if they don’t do that Biden doesn’t want them.

    Which is his main problem with younger voters. He doesn’t want to work with voters, he wants voters to work for him.

    “I have noticed that there have been a lot more events with creators, but the creators that are getting invited are the creators who are very pro Biden and just parroting talking points or sharing photo ops of them smiling with the President. Not the creators who have been critical,” said Kahlil Greene, a history content creator and education advocate in Washington who said he hasn’t been invited to the White House since he criticized the administration over the TikTok ban and the war in Gaza.

    Annie Wu Henry, a political influencer and digital strategist who has worked on Democratic campaigns, agreed. While the White House once treated creators as independent media, she said, they now seem to be playing favorites.

    Biden’s team “is trying to say that they’re handling influencers like the press. But the thing is, the press briefing room has to have Fox News no matter what. They have to allow all of the media in,” Henry said. “When it comes to influencers, they only let in people who agree, and anyone who gives even a little bit of pushback is not welcome.”

    If Biden isn’t seeing the support this time, it’s not the fault of influencers, it’s his fault for ignoring anyone that’s not just kissing his ring.

    Same issue Hillary had.

    Quick edit:

    All he has to do is keep inviting the ones who are vocal about their concerns and open a dialog.

    Even if he doesn’t change stances, it’s a hell of a lot better than surrounding himself with “yes men”.

    It’s a very easy path forward, but it involves admitting people a quarter of his age have valid points. That’s hard for an 82 year old.

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      I do agree that it’s not the fault of influencers, but of the campaign itself.

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      Biden is not a populist who panders to everyone just to disappoint more than half of them. He has positions which he holds and an administration working towards them. You can either agree with the direction or not. Someone may not be thrilled about having a choice between two candidates, but that’s reality and nobody’s gonna game it by not voting, so pick an issue and decide is Biden going to be better or worse than Trump? Unless their a nazi or indoctrinated Christian nationalist, 99% of the time gen z should come to the logical conclusion.

      Edit: IMO Biden has been the most progressive Democratic Presidents in a long time

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        Biden is not a populist

        Since when is representing the people who elected you a bad thing?

        And why do people who think that, think voters will turn out for someone that doesn’t represent what they want?

        Edit: IMO Biden has been the most progressive Democratic Presidents in a long time

        That’s not an opinion, it’s a factual incorrect statement

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          I’m open to your, obviously, well researched factual response to who is a more progressive President.

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            So you make a ridiculous claim, get called on it, and then demand the other person prove you’re wrong?

            The way this works is you prove your own claim before you demand others refute it.

            Why would they put the time in if you won’t?

            Like, you need to realize you’re asking someone to explain something for your benefit. If the other person just stops replying, you lose because you didn’t learn anything

            At least ask politely dawg…

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              There are many things, but I think that H.R. 8404, the Respect for Marriage Act and the fact that he didn’t just sign it into law, he had a major event as a signing ceremony on the White House lawn to highlight it, is a great example of the kind of President he has been.

              https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/12/13/remarks-by-president-biden-and-vice-president-harris-at-signing-of-h-r-8404-the-respect-for-marriage-act/

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                H.R. 8404

                So…

                HR means it’s a bill that started in the House…

                And Biden has been very open the last four years about how a politicians view is their view and he can’t even change someone’s if they belong to his own party.

                So, and I’m just making sure here, you think Joe Biden is so progressive because he checks notes didn’t veto it?

                And instead he threw a big event and took credit for others peoples work?

                C’mon man, was that really the best you found?

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                  He didn’t take credit, he actually detailed a lot of the credit due in his speech. But yes, it is the fact that he made a big deal about a progressive social issue that is an example of being more progressive than his predecessors. If you are looking for progressive things done without congressional action, you’re not going to find any, ever. That’s just not how our government works.

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                    Oh is this one of those things where a Biden supporter tries to convince people that.

                    1. The president is completely powerless

                    2. trump becoming president would be terrible, so we have to vote Biden

                    Cuz buddy, not being trump is pretty much the only reason people are voting Biden, because 1 is bullshit

                    But we’d have a lot better chance beating trump with a president whose ambitions are higher than not dying in office.

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        Biden has been the most progressive Democratic Presidents in a long time

        I am so fucking sick and tired of this talking point. You really need to stop parroting that bullshit.

        I’m going to vote for Biden. I’m going to tell everyone I know to vote for Biden. I’m going to have lawn signs and participate in local voter drives, because I want Biden to win.

        But he is not progressive enough. Comparing him to previous presidents it the least convincing argument you could possibly make. It’s offensive. He’s more progressive than Trump? Fuck you.

        Our presidents, our government, have been controlled by kleptocrats and oligarchs for as long as any of us have been alive, and all of us are suffering because of it. Our world is dying, our futures have been mortgaged, and our economy actively works to enslave us.

        We have never had a progressive president or a progressive government, so it’s like you’re saying “Biden is the softest kick in the nuts we’ve had in a long time.”

        Yeah, ok, maybe you’re right. Are we supposed to be grateful? Go fuck yourself.

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          I think you overstate what a President can do to say that Biden could do more.

          Ps. No need to be so confrontational. Go fuck a moose ;)

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            Biden isn’t just a president, though. He’s a (presumably the most) influential leader in his respective party. he sets the policy direction for the entire DNC. “hey, The environment is an existential threat that will destroy our entire world and at the very least reshape society as we know it” is a perfectly reasonable thing for a president and party-leader to do.

            Because, you know, failing to meet the climate crisis… well, we’re not looking at the collapse of the US, or even global society. We’re looking at the extinction of the human race. but the best he can do is subsidize EV’s and solar panels. WOOOO. Literally every other crisis we’re looking at- inflation, housing, safe water access, increased severity and frequency of storms and wildfires and other natural disasters, increased infectious disease, the immigration/migrant/asylum crisis, global conflicts, political extremism. ALL OF IT… will be exacerbated by climate change; and already is.

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              Good news then his administration has been on point for the messaging

              Today — today, I’m proud to announce that my administration just released the Fifth Climate Assessment in our nation’s history.

              It didn’t just come out of thin air. Written over four years, 750 authors and experts, thousands — thousands of American contributors from every single state in the nation as well as several territories and Tribes.

              It’s the most comprehensive assessment on [the] state [of] climate change in the history of America. And it matters.

              This assessment shows us in clear scientific terms that climate change is impacting all regions, all sectors of the United States — not just some, all.

              It shows that communities across America are taking more action than ever to reduce climate risks and warns that more action is still badly needed.

              We can’t be complacent. Let me say that again: We can’t be complacent. We have to keep going.

              Above all, it shows us that climate action offers an opportunity for the nation to come together and do some really big things.

              You know, I’ve seen firsthand what the reports made clear: the devastating toll of climate change and its existential threat to all of us. And it is the ultimate threat to humanity: climate change.

              https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/11/14/remarks-by-president-biden-on-actions-to-address-the-climate-crisis/

              https://www.whitehouse.gov/climate/

              https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/20/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-catalyze-global-climate-action-through-the-major-economies-forum-on-energy-and-climate/

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                Great.

                Now maybe we should stop new oil drilling, and cut back on oil exports as much as we reasonably can?

                Maybe we should stop subsidizing oil.

                maybe we should start funding public transit options, including busing, light rail, and regional high speed passenger rail. Maybe we should stop wasting money helping millionaires with beach front property rebuild and instead buy them out and create coastal wetlands, and protect inland wetlands better (and manage them during flood events.)

                maybe we should invest in protecting barrier reefs, which help diminish the impact of storms, and

                Maybe we should mandate environmental impact reporting for publicly traded companies. (and lets just ad social reporting, too. cuz why not?)

                maybe we should make sure people have livable wages so that they can afford to invest in climate resilience so they don’t become a burden after a catastrophe, and fight arbitary increases in costs so that people can afford to buy local and healthy food… supporting small farmers rather than giant AG corps that blow out more greenhouse emissions just checking on the crops than I do in a month.

                perhaps, we should look into a sustainable carbon neutral military, because you know, a sustainable military is part of national security…

                maybe we should invest in helping other countries get off oil, too.

                Biden can’t or won’t do what’s necessary to get us out of this mess. His messaging might be on point, but his actions aren’t.

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                  You are right, Biden can’t do what is necessary as President. He can only do what is legally within his purvue, Congress would need to pass laws to do most of what you mentioned above.

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                    What he can do that he is not is pushing congress to do so.

                    Saying that he’s powerless is a cop out. He’s not powerless and you missed the part where I explained how he’s not just POTUS.